Commonwealth of Australia COMMONWEALTH SCIENTIFIC AND INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH ORGANIZATION B.A. McCarthy, Bsq., BStH'AN((K. Western AUstralia Dear Mr. McCarthy, 17th October, 1957 Thank you for your letter or 8th October, in which you tell me of the object which you and others saw in the slcy' on 16th August. I am afraid I can offer no explanation or this object, nor can I suggest any action which could be taken at this stage to tllrov light on it. I shall, however, refer your letter to others 110re competent in this field than l am, and am grateful to you tor having brought the matter to my notico. Yours sincerely, File to Dr. White, please COMMONWEALTH ~-'i;;f OF AUSTRALIA COMMONWEALTH SCIENTIFIC AND INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH ORGANIZATION o:ur cufc~.u coJtP<i"'DI.,~ to,,., ucu' 314 ALBERT STREET EAST MELBOURNE C 2 J(ll,HO!'tl JA 1111 Dleo~or-oeneral DeparU&en~ of Olrtl AYla U.on 499 L1 l oolllna s~., MBLBOURl!B, Vlo~orl a. 22b4. Maroh, 19sq. "PLYIKO SAUCERS~ Fe are enclosing a letter dated 16th. Pcbrua17,1954 ;tithj received from .T Bte1Jif109 So San Uar1Do \YePaeadena 10 Callte sin::: e we feel that the information required I'IOuld be more appropriately supplied by you than by this Organization. It would be a ppreciat;;d l.:f you rould reply to the enqu1rer direct. The letter has been acknowl edged. Secr etary, (Industrial & Physical Sciences.) COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA COMMONWEALTH SCIENTIFIC AND I NDUSTRIAL RESEARCH ORGANIZATION to~ orrac.'-cots"'"'''"'' ro hll 1-rc-nAu Cll.ll D IU,IO&'I COIIU&C.~t HIOUUol llllPHQI\I( J A 161l J.w. Bteta_ Eaq., 109 So Sm Marlno P.AaAD!NA 1 O, CAi lOilllA 314 ALBERT STREET EAST MELBOURNE C 2. ~e have to acknowledge your letter 16t'h.?~bl.'ll.ll' 7 The subject on which you require information is, however, one on which this Organization has no special knowledge arising from its own investigations. 'llg s.u.RIJ..l~d 1r'!lo 1iol'-Genetoal., Depurlnlen'C or C1 V11. .\Vlution, Sinifo it i~ proba bl.e tJlat the infor J?.tio!! l(Q.u ned Cfln 4~9 L~'C~ olllna J ~reet Kelbourne, Vic t or i a . we have taken the liberty of passing your letter on, with a request that a reply be sent direct to you. Yours faithfully, Secretary, {Industrial & Physical Sciences. ) MINISTER IN CHARGE OF THE COMMONWEALTH SCIENTIFIC AND INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH ORGANIZATION Commonwealth Offices, Treasury Place, MELBOURNE, C, 2 , 22nd Februar y , 1954. I sent Dr. Bowen copy of the letter I wrote to the papers about meteoric stream dates and ying saucers, In repl y he says - I was extremely interested in your letter of January 28th suggesting that sightings of flying saucers might be related to meteor showers. This is the first time such a relation has been suggested and it might well be the complete answer". Dr. I. Clunies Ross, C,ll,G., 314 Albert Street, EAST WELBOURNE. C.2. COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA. Dr. I. Clunies Ross Mr. R. G. Casey's Compliments. rc cvr, r:-' c~- COMMONWEALTH OFFICES, .-,...,,.. /A_/ TREASURY GARDENS /,_ JIV'""L-- :r Bullllud, Esq . , 26 'K'fttl1'a Stree1;, -pzWp. Q'lund. 18th Sapteober, 195'2 I han to acknowledge receipt or your letter of 9th Sep~bv, in Which 10\1 bring to ny noUoe the world-ttide Rftle7 !beiD& carr!ed out by the Chicago "Daily news" Foreign hn1 of opinions on the supposed ocC\U'rence of "flying I aa atra:ld it is not possible tor this Organization to ..U &117 uaetul contribution to the survey, slnce we 1mow of~' 1t ~, reports or the obsenation of "fiylng saucers" 1a tbis coantry and certainlY ot l'lODe llhieh deserve serious ...-14eftt1oo. 26 hvel:n st., Grange, Brisbane, Queensland Dr. I . Clunies-Ross, Chairman, CSIRO Canberra, A.C. T. The Chicago Daily News Foreign Ser'fice, which I represent in Australia, is preparing for its 60 American and Canadian client newspaper s what is intended to be the !OOS t oomprehensi ve n ewspaper e::mmina tion yet l!'.a.de of the "fly- in saucer" s i tuation. I t is being prepared on a world-wide basis, and oping that you will find i t possible to gire me what- assistano e you can i n evalua~ing the "saucer" reports in count r y . In trying to determine how many of these "saucers" are expl a inable objects, tl,erefore, I would greatly ap reciate if you coul d give ne any infornation that would embody replies t o such questions as ~hese: 1 . Do you know of any evidence in Australia t endi ng to prove or disprove "flying saucers" as mysterious air- 2 . Do you kno'' of any cases which defy scientific explanation of the phenomena Australians have reported seeing in their s kies? 3 , Have you made any discoveries or formed any theories about these phenomena? I shoul d l ike to make ~he point here that the Daily I;ews' exa.mina tion is a completely open- minded one aimed solely at obtaining all the available evidence. not bei ng ~de on any prior assumptions that "sauc ers" are inter-planetarJ aircraft, hallucinations, or optical illusions. 1Tt~atevtlr assis~ce your organization can -ive, refore, will be greatly appreciated and given full credit by Yours truly, FRED B , HUJ3BARD Daily News Correspondent. 59 Rlee Street, GRKIIILL. l . s . W. :O..r Sir, lOth Septnber, 1952 letter of .Auguet 26th addreseed to the Director, C.S.I.R. , Olul\erra, hu b .. n forwarded to thie ~ice. /It. 1e difficult, on the baais {"'rlhe in:fo:n~&tion JOU. baTe g1Tu, for ua to IlSke aey athii!Pt at a detailed uplanation of your obaenationa. One point mrth noting, howner, i.e that ill certain cil"CUUIetancu light auch aa that fro11 erch- .li&bte can Uluainate cloude Without the beaaa of the 11ghta being a t all ....!_4Uy Tiaible fro the gound.; Ligtlt apota produced on clouds ill t his 1 woiild p~bly look aoaeWbat as you haTe described, changing i n ahap e aceor4ill8 to the angle of incidence of beaa on t h e cloud eurftce. lfatun.ll;y, of oourae , it. is iapoaaible t.> s&J' that t h i a 11'&1!1 the e;o.plaDation o f the occurrence but we haTe receiTed no ot~r reoorte of U a n d ill the absence of further detail i t e eeae unwiae for ue to epeculate further. Yours fai th1'u.lly , G. B. Greeford, Secret ary, Industrial ~ Physical Soienc88. '!'he Director, ;ouncil or Scientific L Industriu l ~ese~roh, 59 Jo~., trect, Grent' ll. . t app r oximat ely 3 . 10 d . u . on the 22nd . u,. ( inst. ) ey son aw ... ~ened u e t o " come .m see ' the flyir:g .. ~ucer' ;hich .e h\ld be!!n 1e. tching for so.~e time . ' e .eni do.m t o the ~unction ol' t. o street.> ne.;r our ho::.e ..1n d wai teti in tht< 3ha:le of "' tre e . The sKy .s c:ercest , t h e clouds ..1 .pe"rins to be 1ery t.i,;h, but .;tro;et lic;l,t fLra >'IC.Uld o ther. ise h.lll'e inter~ erre..t :i th our vision th:m lookiil: sk:; .1rd . resently h:J md " boy friend pointed out ~ .iaty rhosphorJscent phencm~no~ moving rrcn the north-1 t, e~st"rlJ .llld then .r.orth - e-st erly , t o dis ... p_>ear Ul'ter se:3r-: ...i .. v.td~. le waited u r e mor e micute3 :l!ld the object re-.1 ,_ e r, 1 in t. ~ ::ort!::-est . Tni s time I hnd "' good vi~ .. ot it .itn r:;.y Ginoc- ulars. I t 1as tPp~rsntly of a ~-porous n~ture coasistin; of luzinous .aveG i n vifOrous ufit~ticn. Sooetiues it lPfeured to tr3ve1 ..1t very hi~1 speed and ~t ot!::ers it ~s co y>l'.<ti~ely st ... tionery . 1hen f irst seen by ne it .. :..;; .,h-J:ed so ... e h-t lil:e tl:is , l1t e r becotin .i.lirly elli,ltic"- .. :ter .. s.;in p r ... ctic.lly ovt::rl..::ld, it .. gain di:, e r~ in tne nc.rth- .,.,.,,.r l st ... ra bec..tJ,., rl;;;ible t.hrough the clou.1", t . us ..ini J. ... in."' t.ne .-os-ibi1i ty of .i.'urther clear oo3erv _t i on c.r 1."e r!'leno;.~enon, we r9t1red. The l..o.st "'ill e..1r .. nce . o:.s -t _bout ~ ~". ,hat .1e observed .tas cert.ll:ll y not mere orlin.1ry clouu- r ... c!: upon .vhich lights :~ere shi!tinc. 1.0 snrc~.-lie.hts .1r~ in this l a c li ty .moi even should sue~ li nts h.1 'ld been used th, be..l.!l S :1c.u1d h~v9 been vi3i b l e . l.oreov~r, tae lW".ln..;sity upJ>eared t o b~ o1' th e phenonenon i tselr, sur :in in .la'7~a. Th e boy s told m'! th-lt, ,hll;. returnin::; hor." rrc. 1 B 11, tt.e:r r i rst bee .lllle 1 r e of t 1e "flyir.c; .; .uce r'' u.t tbout 3 ~. It apf-eJ.red en ... nu:. c.r o. occ .. .:oicn.; tr11e11in tc. ~1 fro on r roxi t te1y the s~e p~th. 7his too .auld di.;count the J-OB ibility of it b:ing sc. 11 cloui. They s id t t hila .i.t a tr velllng 1t vory t .,pe<~d it h.1:! the. ::J.rmoe of .. c. et ith ;er-J bri~llt h" , l i :e ~ cunst bright at r s , na th~t t. ot rL "s it 'InS s ,t ilst. t h e ~heno encn 1 ~ up~;rentlJ - . l ht., it ;as thouett t o be bel~; t ho cloud. H1d l ust h-;e been very bright (for 1 t JMUBt be r_memberod th'l 1. r.. ~Jre obscured): In thi .. , 1 t ~Y h..1ve been poa .... ible for tno strocture or tl:.e h i h to i ve the intern 11 biller. in~, l~nou.... veli~e eft It ia under t. loc .1 per~c.n 1 o :1 tne t h t 1t l'!lSt D"' uther ir:J.o endent ed the pt.eno~e., ... , . I sh :1ll dee . it a i'uvour if you \/ill ende.lvour to e._pL.un t o ce .h t tie l~pear~nce may h~ve been.