in uniform Unifoilned history!!! to convince - Clashed/retrieved craftlbodies, organization GreerlMillerlMitchell in Pentagon Conference MillerlWilson (privately) UFOs/alien intelligence millintell encounters encounters, Confullled organization existence. TW: I found it, where I looked, who I talked to but did not name every one - that's it. EWD: I show Miller letter (to me, EWD) dated 4/25/02 - please evaluate . . TW: (laughs) Didn't tell Miller EVERYTIflNGl Miller knows what I did in Pentagon Group search but no more. Miller can make good educated guess on who (contractors) has alien hardware. Do not pay Miller - sounds hard up to pay for nice home and private beach privilege - (laughs) 1 TW: Miller can give good advice on which defense companies to look at - that's all he knows. [changes subject] Oke told all about JA (doesn't trust lA, a liar!) AP-1O group meetings at BDM. -References Blum's book. Talked about lA, Blum's book, his (Oke's) role there, who attended, etc. -Oke briefed me on whole BDM thing - talked about RV program for 10 min. I know something of this RV. Oke said I (EWD) was team player, would keep mouth shut, no media connections - obey all restrictions - not in government/no clearances, but pedigree excellent - professional/personal references very excellent. , [paper-clipped letter here] Dr. Eric W. Davis, CEO Warp Drive Metrics 4849 San Rafael Ave. Las Vegas, NV 89120 2190 Overbrook Ave. North Belleair Bluffs, FL 33770 I must apologize to you and Hal for not getting back with you sooner. The "fog of war", current business activity, and losing your new e-mail address all contributed to the delay, which I regret. First, I must ask if you and/or Hal would be interested in meeting Mr. Bob Beckwith in Tallahassee, FL the evening of May 30th. Bob has been invited to meet with the head of Florida Academy of and the Director of the High Magnetic Field Laboralory for a roundtable discussion of his (Mr. Force Model of the and his pl8nned experiments in LIT (fevitation, and time travel), among other subjects. I betieve that the date is now firm, but that will be determined in a conference can Thursday 25 April. Next, let me respond to a few of your and Hars previous questions: I would be wilting to asSist you and Hal with your ongoing research into UFO crash retrievals and the within the government (or outside of it) that are involved in that business, with the following caveats. First, there must be absolutely NO mer Ition or association of my name with your work or investigation. I have absolutely nothing to gain from such at this time, and possibly much to lose. Second, I would charge you only for the actual time I spend in putting together materials, references, or contact lists for you to pursue. I would expect that time to be minimal, since that initial information would not take long to put together (probably less than 8 My standard rate for such work is $180 per straight-time hour. Third, nothing I would provide you would be dassifred from a national security perspective. Although I have held a Top Secret (TS) dearance with access to Special Compartmented Information (SCI), and other "special" clearances for "other" programs, I currently do not work in the classified realm, nor do I hold those clearances . As I discussed with you, only by means of working on a current classified government contract and having the to know", and thus requesting my previous clearances be reinstated by DoD, would I again work in the classified realm. Now, all that said, and pending further discussion with you and Hal on your ultimate objectives for having such information, I could provide the following: t. Particulars on a 'special team" involved (as a secondary mission) with recovering crashed "craft" including, but not limited to, the previously classified F-117 Stealth Fighter. This team or its successors, its parent sponsoring entity, and its two key officers may provide some of the information that you seek. 2. The name and location of a senior officer who I betieve had first-hand knowledge U.S. government alien reproduction vehicles (ARVs) at Area-51 and associated locations. 3. The name and current location of a retired senior (Rag-rank) who I believe was directly involved in govemment interaction with a significant UFO event on the east coast of the U.S., and I berleve has; by virtue of his former Jeaciership position, high military rank, and control of significant military forces, direct knowledge of USG involvement in this business. 4. A list of civilian government contractors who, by virtue of their past and current highly classified work, current capabilities, clearances, personnel, and geographic areas of most likely have current involvement in and knowledge of USG work in alien-derived technologies, crashes, landing, and associated events. If you have interest in any of the above, please Jet me know. I have a request: I am to locate a company in Las Vegas, NV which some years ago manufactured a disabling "pepper spray" for the military enforcement The company was caDed '1 Mark, Inc.' (2300 W. Sahara Ave. Ste. 500) and I knew its V.P., a Mr. Joe Zucharro. Any help in locating him and/or the company Best regards, Will Miller TW: Told Oke it's a bad time - time no good to talk to me (EWD) - too busy. Said Oke too difficult to contact anymore - heard he was in and out of hospital - extremely sensitive to stress/heart sick - bad news - tried calling: Linda takes messages but none retumed, she doesn't want much on Oke's plate for fear ... Didn't say yes or no to request - I would think on it. Three years pass and retiring - left DIA July (2002) - replaced . Adm. Jacoby. TW: Came to test site special area to wrap up projects (he began in '98) - successor be bothered with right now for lack of time and knowledge. Did tour/audit/say goodbye to folks. Trip set up by NNSA (National Nuclear Security Agency) - Rich & Doug - you (EWD) know them - AFIO members - told about how new Las Vegas chapter needed guest speakers for chapter/public venue - raise money/membership, etc. RichIDoug talked about you (EWD!) - phoned from DC - sent me copies of your NASA papers and other related - wormholes your thing. Sent PACAF orders, US ID, Lockheed slides, some reports I wrote for NASA. TW: Oh, Sept., after Labor Day. RichIDoug told me I should talk to you about DIA careers, discuss history, mission, my career in that, etc. I knew better later when I saw your papers and stats they provided - remembered Oke phone call and what he sent me/what he said about you (EWD). EWD: What did you do with it? TW: Had office do background checks. Doug/Rich offered to but wanted my own data to be sure. AFIO vouched - AFIO people/DC people now in Vegas vouched. TW: Gave deep serious thought - recalled Oke's call in '99. Oke really supported me (EWD) - had good arguments. EWD: What were they? TW: I (EWD) wouldn't talk to press, to groups (UFO or other such), no media connections, not talk to Miller or Greer or related folks - no vested interest in publicity/money/fame/notoriety, etc. We spent time discussing my background - answered his questions on my AF, NASA and related work/interests, etc. History with AF jobs - what I did. Education/career choice, etc. No mention of NIDS!! Oke mentioned JA, me, NIDS in '99, but that's all that was said TW: Very furious - very angry about Miller (facial expression tense, angry voice) -Violated personal and professional trust - especially among intelligence colleagues/Navy officers -There's Navy camaraderie among officers - brotherhood -Violated that and confidentiality 1W: Miller told Greer their conversation -Who knows whom else he and Greer told . (EWD note - Miller told Ed Mitchell who only told me in 1999) 1W: Then he talks to Kean and Boston Globe articles came out Not sure what he told Kean, but articles referenced me (TW) Got calls from EWD: What was their nature? 1W: Sarcastic, stupid jokes, stupid comments, comments of surprise and derision (that I be talking to UFO nuts/nutty UFO groups, etc.) 1W: Co-workers (flag officers) in Pentagon, lower staff, civilian SES people, people in intell community I work with. Got calls about articles and didn't like it. 1W: I'm taking risk talking to you -But trusts Oke's word and it is good with me. -We should have met Oke together face-to-face but present health problems prevent that - too bad! -So I'll take risk with you & Doug vouch for you - say your word is good with them. APIO connection important for trust - you (EWD) know how to be team player -Background check clear - no derogatory items found -Korean record good and AF trusts you I'm running out of time, so let's go with this! -If you blow my trust I'll deny meeting you, deny everything said, won't meet with any more people (without clearances) to talk about this topic - too risky of security violation just by mentioning it - very tightly held info - absurdly closely held subject matter - never seen anything like this program in black programs community EWD: Okay then, what happened in April-June '97? 1W: After parting with Miller (week later, he thinks) - I made calls, knocked on a few doors, talked to people - went on for 45 days (thereabouts) on and off -Suggestion came from Ward (Gen. M. Ward) to go through the records groups files (like an index system) in OUSDAT (Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology) -Ran into Bill Perry in May '97 - talked about, this quietly - he suggested the same thing -They told me of a special projects record group not belonging to usual SAP - a special subset of the unacknowledgedlcarve-outs/waived programs - not belonging to usual SAP divisions as organized in '94 by Perry himself - set apart from rest but buried/covered by conventional SAPs Who was USDAT? TW: Uh, was Paul Kaminski - talked to both Paul and Mike Kostd,nik (a Brig. General) EWD: Michael TW: In Paul's office (OUSDAT) - dir. of special programs in OUSDAT (Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics) as organized (re- organized) by Perry in '94 -Mike is also director of SAPCO (Special Access Programs Coordination -Mike is member and executive secretary to SAPOC (Special Access Programs Oversight Committee) in capacity as SAPCO director -Mike is a member of the Senior Review Group , (TW was Deputy Director DWAssistant Joint Chief of Staff J-2 at time; boss was Director DIA Gen. Patrick Hughes) TW: So found the unusual record group - read the index abstracts. EWD: Budget info? No budget info - that is kept in separate records for audit purposes. -A security budget record is copied into a folder for "the program" -Talked to Mike who said it was like 2-3 times the program budget, but there were times when it went as high as 6-7 times core budget, thought absurdly high, said Perry wanted investigation on that but was told to drop it. EWD: Who told him that? didn't want to answer my question on that - said I could fmd out something from Judy Dalyl. 1 Judith Daly: Assistant Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Advanced Development, TW: She said by phone call that security and other program budget records were being re-vamped and relocated to their own records groups. Security budgets were sometimes cumulative and not annual numbers, easy to see how misunderstanding occurs when comparing to annual program budget figures. 6-7 times could be 2-5 years cumulative total - there have been errors in way security budgets reported . TW: Perry ordered all these issues to be reorganized and straightened out to improve audit transparency. Change subject: so what SAP comprutment did you find in? Core secret -won't say Code name? won't say - core secret Who was the project contractor or USG agency that runs program? An aerospace technology contractor -one of the top ones in US TW: Core secret - can't tell EWD:'Defense contractor? TW: Yes, the best one of them. EWD: Intelligence too? TW: In their corporate portfolio Give a hint? TW: Sorry, no. What happened when you found contractor? TW: I made several calls (end of May '97), first to Paul, Mike & Perry to confinn I had right contractor and program manager to talk to. They confll'III? TW: (End of May '97) Made three calls to the program manager - one of them conference call with security director and corporate attorney. - Confusion on their part as to why I was looking for them and what I wanted or wanted to know about. - Very testy tone from all EWD: What do you mean? TW: They were agitated about my calling - surprised by call EWD: What you asked them? EWD: What was that - what words? TW: I told I read their program record in the OUSDAT special program records group . and wanted to know about their crashed UFO program, what their role in that was, what they had, etc. Also asked if they heard ofMJ-12 or some such organization code relating to crashed/recovered UFO craft. EWD: Reaction on phone to that? TW: Yes! Asked who I talked to before I called them so I told them and they weren't happy with that answer. EWD: You mean about Perry, Paul, etc. ? TW: Oh, no! I didn't tell them I talked to those guys! EWD: Whom else you talked to? TW: There were the other program managers I called. didn't mention that before! 'I'W: Thought I said something. EWD: Who were they? TW: 3 programs who said they weren't what/who I was looking for. 4 programs that referred me back to the present threesome. EWD: Why the latter? TW: Because they were part of it - in different compartments, placed in different layers of the compartments pyramid, split up to do different things or parts of it. They're all in same records group, but their connection to each other is not obvious (typical thing but unusual in records). EWD: What then? TW: I told threesome I wanted fOlmal briefmg, tour, etc. - was exploiting my regulatory authority as Deputy Director DIAlAssistant Joint Chief of Staff J-2 - Told them my not being briefed was oversight they needed to correct - I demanded! TW: They needed to discuss this (his demand) so hung up. Got called 2 days later and they said they don't want to talk on phone and arranged for face-to-face meeting at their EWD: Did you go? TW: Yes, ten days later (mid-June or so). Flew out there -Met in their conference room in their secure vault of them show up EWD: 3 guys with whom you had telecon? TW: Yes, same 3 -Security director (NSA-retired, a CI expert) -Progran'! direttor . -Corporate attorney' -CaIled themselves "the watch committee," or gate keepers EWD: Why that phrase or name? TW: I asked; they said they were fOlmed out of necessity to protect themselves after a near disaster in the past almost blew their cover - something to do with an agreement that was reached with a couple of Pentagon SESs overseeing SAPs in those days - were vague about when that was. EWD: What was this? Let me finish! They said years ago in past an audit investigation led to them, and it wasn't supposed to - nearly outed! A battle, a nasty back'n forth between them and the investigator and his Pentagon chief ensued -like a tug of war for program transparency, they told me - money was the issue - their hiding out became the other issue. Some kind of threat was leveled to blow the lid off them so they backed down and let the investigator in to complete his (They work very hard to keep program hidden) EWD: What happened with that? TW: He was officially briefed, given tour, shown their program EWD: Did they show him a craft? Or hardware they said was "alien" or from a UFO? Didn't say more about that. -Said after that episode a formal agreement was struck with Pentagon people (SAPOC) to prevent this in future - didn't want a repeat -Special criteria were established in agreement o A special circumstance that must meet rigorous access criteria set by contractor committee No USG personnel are to gain access unless they met the criteria - to be administered by contractor committee (program director, attorney, security director) irregardless of the tickets and position USG personnel possessed -Literally their way or the highway EWD: What are criteria? TW: I asked for that and they refused to give answer. I was mad - implication is to me - they operate without official oversight or any justification - politically dangerous place to be! -[Threesome concerned wlth who TW had talked to at Pentagon or elsewhere - by phoneIFAXlemail-wanted accounting of conversations - concerned about new exposure -Purpose of meeting was to tell me this. EWD: What? TW: That they weren't going to let me in the door TW: They said my tickets were all confimled and valid, but I was not on the bigot list My tickets alone were not enough didn't meet the special criteria so need to know authorization was not being