(https://animpossibleinvention.com/wp- content/uploads/2015/11/fulvio2.jpg) Fulvio Fabiani AN IMPOSSIBLE INVENTION Rossis engineer: I have seen things you people wouldnt believe November 25, 2015 UncategorizedE-Cat, energyMats Lewan A few days ago I had a conversation with Rossis closest technician and engineer since 2012, Fulvio Fabiani, which I will report on here. Let me first make clear that the quite lengthy report has abso- lutely no value if youre convinced that the E-Cat technology doesnt work. At the most it will be anecdotic. People considering the E-Cat technology (http://animpossibleinvention.com) to be valid will, on the other hand, find some of Fabianis statements to be interesting. Fabiani, 48, was born and grew up in Rome, Italy. He had a great passion for information technology as a child and made his first video game at the age of 12. He studied electronics, electro technology and computer science, and for some years he made a military career as an officer in the Italian Military Force. He also worked as a consultant for court cases regarding information technology, and as a system ad- ministrator at the Italian National Institute of Astrophysics before moving to the US, working for the airport security technology provider InVision Technologies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InVision_Technologies). Later, he specialized in certification of circuit boards in gaming & gambling machines, which led him to working with communication technology between online gaming systems and bank systems, traveling across a series of countries in the ex Soviet Union for seven years. In 2012, a common friend introduced him to Rossi who was then looking for a person who could de- velop and improve the power supply system for the first version of the E-Cat, and Fabiani was in- vited to have a look at Rossis device. I have to admit, and I always said this, that when I came there I didnt believe it was working, Fabiani told me. As a skeptic I started there, and in the beginning Rossi wouldnt let me see any data. Gradually he gained confidence since I solved a few problems. And after some time I found myself with the truth in my hands, having made some calculations, and I was amazed. I made the same calculations twenty times and I tried to find the error, but there was no error. Now after seeing everything that Rossi is doing, and the levels at which we have arrived, there re- ally is no error, but already at that time he saw things that ordinary people were not yet able to see. Either you have seen this from the start, or you have to remain puzzled. If youre skeptical, then un- til you have a 100 percent proof, until the hammer hits your finger, you wont believe that your adversary has a hammer. Many people play on this, and especially on the fact that Rossi has a rather closed character, as many geniuses. He is a genius who has an impressive way of reasoning. I sometimes find it difficult to follow him. You should see him when he arrives disheveled, shirt inside out, running around in the laboratory. He reminds you of the scientist from Back to the Future. He comes with a paper fluttering, saying Oh, I had this idea, we have to try this, throwing away 15 days of your setup of a reactor because he wants to try something different, and you have not even finished the idea that he had previously. Rossi is an avalanche of great ideas. He has an ability, not of imagination but of reasoning about physics that is impressive. I see him an- alyzing immense formulas of physical behavior of matter that leave me speechless, and sometimes he goes: Look, they made a sign error here, how is that possible? Because hes not reading the book. Hes an- alyzing it, hair by hair. He studies 24h because he analyses everything that others say, because they dont convince him. Hes like that, also regarding what I say to him, even though he doesnt know much about electrical engineering and electronics. But he looks it up. He questions the world itself. I know him well by now. We have conflicts and arguments but also friendship and mutual trust, all this because as an engineer in charge I have to run things well. There are times when he doesnt even turn them on, because he has already gone further, and so Im skipping some operational steps. But he has already simulated their behavior in his head, and therefore he doesnt care. That is genius. Talking about the validity of the E-Cat technology, Fabiani continues: With the failures, I found myself having to believe in it. Why? Because when something fails, you see the behavior of the object. The next time you adjust it, then you see that it behaves very differ- ently. And then you realize that it is something unique. We have it all filmed, which still cannot be disclosed. We have photographs of creatures that emit pure light that have completely melted the re- actor down, all in a very quiet way. You just turn off the stimuli system and the reaction is switched off. Its impressive. I can assure you that the shutdown of the reaction is immediate. The response at ignition with the certified technology is medium fast since we use this technology to produce steam. With steam, iner- tia when starting up is necessary because of the mass of water that becomes steam. But with ideas we have plans for everything, even instantaneous reactions. Now Im working on many of Rossis new ideas including the E-CatX*, while also being responsible for power supply & control and mainte- nance on the long term test [of the 1 MW plant**]. Until now the test is in line with the result that we expected. We encountered the biggest problems during the design and installation phase of the test plant. The most difficult thing was the choice of materials needed to withstand this new kind of energy release and this type of operation for such a long time. And we have found many little flawsteething problems. For example, also the choice of bolts has led to a revision because some bolts were not sufficiently treated with anti-corrosive, and so they rusted. But if you dont test you cannot say that you have a product to sell. As for Rossis ability to take advice, Fabiani says: Rossi doesnt like standard reasoning. He is not a linear researcher. I find myself arguing with Andrea because his views are not compatible with other points of view in a way so you can exchange information. I am lucky that after three years I now have a certain confidence, and this con- fidence allows me to do things in my own way regarding the power supply system, because what he thinks is not feasible for standard and linear technicians. Im acting almost as an interpreter from his ideas to the standard world. Over the years we realized that the reaction needs more stimuli than only heating. Everyone thinks that thermal stimulus is enough but thats just the beginning. Its not enough for maximum efficiency. Its the base, the synthesis of the reaction. But the reaction has almost behaviors as of living matter, and it has responses as a function of the stimuli. They can be of many types other than thermal. And these are the ones that trigger, lets call it the most fun part of it, allowing excellent gains in terms of response to the stimuli. Fabiani about his role: Rossi is the head and runs the R&D. Im his right arm, his left arm and his legs too. We have staff, technicians who help us. Only R&D has about 12 people with me included. Im the link between Rossi and the others for everything that regards R&D. I dont have knowledge on the reaction be- cause the formula is not my concern. When it is time, Rossi makes his mixtures according to his for- mulas, puts the charge in the cores and gives me the complete cores. A reactor is composed of a core, an excitation system, and a system for heat exchange. I look after the excitation system and the sys- tem for heat exchange, and also the physical realization of the core. But the core must be filled with the mixture of powders that Rossi from time to time recalibrates in function of the effect that he wants to achieve. To be more precise I am bound by an agreement with Industrial Heat, and Im available for Rossi to be his right arm. I cannot give any more details due to an NDA. Talking about future development, Fabiani says: I have really seen... Did you see Blade Runner? The quote at the end, Ive seen things you people wouldnt believe. Its true. I assure you that I have seen things that only I, Rossi and a few other people saw. We really saw things... I really saw the new frontier of energy. There is nothing in comparison. You cannot imagine. I speak of the E-CatX* and many others of Rossis experiments. We have tried lots of things, and we have made some twenty and more different reactors. And I can assure you that with some of them we have truly seen a new world. Energy density, reaction capacity, in the sense of things never seen. The new frontier of energy. The field that this reaction opens up is so vast that its almost impossible to imagine all the capabili- ties and possibilities. I have always been a lover of science fiction, and yet I was never able to believe that the famous star ships you see in the movies would become possible, because it seemed too far away. But I have to say that when I saw what Rossi was able to open, Im seeing that world getting closer. Maybe before I die I will see those starships. Yes, its a childs dream. Fabiani about the 1 MW trial plant**: My baby as I call it, because I and my colleagues put it all together, I see my baby walking every day, and now I can even feel her breath, as I call it. You feel it when she produces steam and bubbles. We have learned to identify some moments of the reaction as a function of the type of boiling inside. Just try to imagine. Now we really know what shes doing by the ear. And everyday I collect about 1.5 million records. And it is impressive. Mats: What will you do next year, after the end of the one-year trial? Haha, I dont know. The game is getting too big to be handled only by Rossi and me in person. Its something that will change the face of the Earth, so ... I dont know. Since Im not involved in anything related to the business development or the technology development at the industrial level, and since I dont have any deeper knowledge on the direction in which things are going, I pre- fer not to say too much about it. About 10 or 15 top level managers are involvedsurely there is Rossi and Darden, but I dont know them all well. Is not of my concern. I think its right to keep things compartmentalized to avoid information leaks. In discussions on Internet forums everyone says they are slow, but I only see people really devoting all their resources and all their time to make this happen. So many people talk, but they dont even know what it means to industrialize an object like that. * E-Cat X is an experimental high-temperature reactor based on Andrea Rossis E-Cat technology, which supposedly would produce both heat and light. ** Since mid-February 2015, Rossi and his US industrial partner Industrial Heat are running a one- year commercial trial on a customers site with a heat plant producing 1 MW. The plant is made up of four 250kW modules, each based on E-Cat technology. Unless something unexpected happens, the trial, which is controlled by a major independent third party certification institute, should be concluded by February or March 2016, and the results should then be presented. Note: Fulvio Fabiani has signed NDAs regarding E-Cat technology with several parties, which obviously lim- ited what he could say in this interview. 45 comments 1. Pingback: The E-Cat Spheromak Connection: Fulvio Fabiani Describes Obvious Electron Clusters Observed and Filmed! Electron Clusters Project 2. gbgoble says: Starships require one gravity continuous thrust to be comfortable. LENR electric will provide this. Cold Fusion NASA LENR part three Spacebound and Earthbound Transportation Posted On July http://coldfusionnow.org/nasa-cold-fusion-lenr-part-three-spacebound-and-earthbound- transportation/ LENR/Electric Transportation Spacebound In 1958, the SPACE HANDBOOK: ASTRONAUTICS AND ITS APPLICATIONS (link), by the Rand Corporation, was presented to the President at the birth of NASA. It clearly states that electricity produced without generators through some unknown nuclear process will enable astronautic transport with advanced electric drive. The primary consideration in obtaining useful thrust from ion or plasma rockets is the construction of lightweight electric power supplies. A gross reduction in electrical generation equipment, as compared with the most advanced of present equipments, is required to make the electric rocket really interesting for flight in the solar system. It is contemplated that some type of nuclear fission (or fusion, farther in the future) could be used to supply the energy for the electric powerplant, although this step would still not eliminate the need for heavy electrical generators, unless direct conversion of fission to electrical energy in large quantities be came practical. 2,100 kilovolts of electric power to produce 1 pound of thrust, assuming good efficiency. Optimistic estimates of electric-power-supply weight in dictate that the power unit would weigh about 8,500 pounds. (or 4 lbs for each kilovolt using old technology) 3. tyy says: Well. Now we know the Rossi effect is real. 4. CimPy says: The first you said. 5. tyy says: A co-conman or just an other poor soul tricked by the high priest of the E-cat order? 6. Sam says: An interview with Mr Rossi right hand man. An interesting interview and a great scoop. Thanks Mats 7. CImPy says: The answers could give us a clearer idea of this person What kind of answer do you expect? And do you need more lies to understand the kind of Who do you think posted the now claimed fake profile on linkedin, referred in ECatWorld in 2013 and many times on a couple of italian blogs, Santa Claus? 8. Ellis Island says: On my side I expect Mr Fabiani, that by evidence is following this blog, to clarify the following: when did he attend the Ukrainian University classes, I mean the years, considering that in his profile it seems he has Always worked. Maybe its a HC degree, who knows in addition, when did he get the three High School diplomas (ITIS) if the profile posted by Frank Ackland on his blog is another fake or not The answers could give us a clearer idea of this person. Mats could help us in this undesrtanding 9. joshua cude says: Sue Jones wrote: They had an abuse-prone procedure known as SAWS by which any patent agent could delay any patent forever. The statistics show that resolution of patents under SAWS was at worst delayed by a factor of 2. However, resolution often meant the application was denied. But whether or not cold fusion patents have been subject to additional scrutiny under SAWS, grounds for their rejection without independent evidence of operability are explicitly present in the USPTO Manual of Patent Examination Procedure, section 2107, on the Utility Requirement: An invention that is inoperative (i.e., it does not operate to produce the results claimed by the patent applicant) is not a useful invention in the meaning of the patent law. The purpose of SAWS was not to bury patent applications, but to ensure the rules were properly followed on sensitive topics, including cold fusion, perpetual motion, anti-gravity, and a range of sensitive biological topics like magnets affecting taste and so on. The intent was not unreasonable from the point of view of self-preservation, but also in the public interest. Sensitive patents are those that would attract a lot of attention, and a patent granted on anti-gravity that was obviously inoperable brings bad publicity to the entire patent system. Moreover, sensitive patents tend to promise extraordinary benefits, and so even though a patent is not intended to be a validation, many people regard it is as such, and so it can be (and is) used to facilitate fraud. For these reasons, additional scrutiny was considered warranted for such applications, since individual examiners can easily slip up now and then maybe they are pre- occupied with a hot date that night. Ordinarily, utility does not have to be proven to obtain a patent. Office personnel are reminded that they must treat as true a statement of fact made by an applicant in relation to an asserted utility, unless countervailing evidence can be provided that shows that one of ordinary skill in the art would have a legitimate basis to doubt the credibility of such a statement. So a patent is not a validation, and was never intended to be. But it can be rejected as not useful if its claimed utility is not credible: The second type of deficiency arises in the rare instance where an assertion of specific and substantial utility for the invention made by an applicant is not credible. Situations where an invention is found to be inoperative and therefore lacking in utility are rare, and rejections maintained solely on this ground by a Federal court even rarer. In many of these cases, the utility asserted by the applicant was thought to be incredible in the light of the knowledge of the art... ... Other cases suggest that on initial evaluation, the Office considered the asserted utility to be inconsistent with known scientific principles Cold fusion, along with perpetual motion, and some other claims, is cited as a specific example of incredible utility, or wholly inoperative invention. Therefore, in claims of cold fusion or LENR, which are considered by most people skilled in the art to be inconsistent with known science, an examiner is justified in requiring evidence of operability. The purpose of SAWS was to emphasize this requirement. But all that was needed to get the patent granted was evidence of operability. That does not seem like an unreasonable requirement to me. 10. EEStorFanFibb says: you should write up an article about all that and send it to Frank at ecatworld so he can feature it. 11. Sue Jones says: THe US PAtent and Trademark Office is now working much faster on LENR and Cold Fusion patents. The patent attorney firm that represents BrillouinEnergy.com, Kirpatrick Townsend sued the PTO under FOIA (Freedom of information act) to discover the reason. They had an abuse- prone procedure known as SAWS by which any patent agent could delay any patent forever. The US PTO have now claimed publicly they will no longer use the SAWS procedure anymore. Time will tell if they find another way to drag their knuckles. 12. bachcole says: He studies 24h. I really want to know what that means. 13. CimPy says: Amusing what do you expect Fabiani to say? He even spoke of false ptofile as if it was not he the one who posted it... Engineer as noun thats genius, Mats. Or might be simply sharing, participating, like in partnership, fellowship... 14. Ellis Island says: Maybe Mr Fabiani can clarify the point raised by Mechanic_stuff and also answer to my question regarding the years spent at the Ukrainian university. 15. Mechanic_Stuff says: December 2013, E Cat World: Fulvio Fabiani, whose title on his LinkedIn page is Tech Director & R.D. at Leonardo Corporation MIAMI FL USA. Mr. Fabiani also lists a company called Industrial Heat LLC as a company he works for on Linkedin. (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/fulvio-fabiani/20/534/1b