Job/Relation/ Involvement Ros. chief intel officer Marcel's son Mack Brazel's son Brazel neighbor Brazel neighbor; mother Sally Tadolini Brazel neighbor quoting Mack Brazel Daughter Sheriff Wilcox; quoting father Ros. air transport unit Ros. counter-intel. Ros. intel office 603rd Air Engin. Sq 830th Bomb Sq Son, Sgt. Homer Row- lette, 603rd Air Eng Sq Roswell resident Roswell resident Daughter Roswell fireman Dan Dwyer Sister of Frankie Rowe Bill Brazel's wife Roswell resident Brazel hunting partner, Corona resident C/O Wright-Patt. AFB Wright-Patterson AFB employee 1951/52 Ros. Engineering; son/ friend testimony Berkeley metallurgist? Quoted by Tim Cooper Consultant R&D Board, from Whitley Streiber Roswell resident, son KGFL owner AP reporter Daughter Mack Brazel Major Jesse Marcel: Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. Bill Brazel Jr.: Sally Strickland Tadolini Marian Strickland Loretta Proctor Phyllis Wilcox McGuire Sgt. Robert Smith M/Sgt. Louis Rickett Lt. Jack Trowbridge NEW S/Sgt. Earl Fulford NEW S/Sgt. M. Sprouse NEW Larry Rowlette NEW Charles Schmid Paul Price NEW Frankie Dwyer Rowe Helen Dwyer Cahill Shirley Brazel NEW Jim Ragsdale "Philip Croft" NEW L. D. Sparks NEW Brig. Gen. Arthur Exon June Crain Major Ellis Boldra "Albert Bruce Collins" Dr. Robert Sarbacher Walt Whitmore Jr.: (1979) "Reluctant"-Whitmore '92 Jason Kellahin Bessie Brazel Schreiber Skeptical remarks no crease, Uncuttable, very tough, very strong, unburnable 2. TOUGH, FLEXIBLE, FOIL-LIKE MATERIAL, WITH MEMORY The following table has been added to aid in cross-referencing witness descriptions of properties. See also last section on nanotechology for how these properties might be replicated by recently developed superstrong and resilient carbon nanotubule material.: Dull gray, Debris index1. Beams2. Memory foil3. Other metal4. T ape5. Parchment 6. Fibers7. Debris field size/quantity8. Misc. Testimony9. Nanotech Supermaterials << Roswell Proof main page MAJOR JESSE MARCEL (H&M, FUFOR, 1979 television interview) "[There were] many bits of metallic foil, that looked like, but was not, aluminum, for no matter how often one crumpled it, it regained its original shape again. Besides that, they were indestructible, even with a sledgehammer." (Corley) "...the material was unusual. Of course the Air Force called it a balloon. It couldn't have been. It was porous. It couldn't hold any air. The material was a fabric... I tried to blow though it. It would go right through it. I tried to blow it with my mouth." [Corley asking for clarification: "What piece? That foil looking stuff?"] "No, no. ...what looked like balloon material. A cloth. ...It wouldn't hold any air. ...it's a cloth-like material, but it was also metallic. ...It was a metallic cloth. It [air] would go right through it. I even tried to burn it. It wouldn't burn. ...a balloon has to have ...gas to go up in the air -- even hot air. This could not hold anything like that. It was porous. JESSE MARCEL JR. (Son of Roswell intelligence chief, Marcel Jr. was 11 years old in 1947) (B&M) "The material was foil-like stuff, very thin, metallic-like but not metal, and very tough." (R&S2) Marcel Jr. described the foil as resembling "lead foil." (KPFA) "Most of the debris consisted of metal foil. It was kind of like a dull aluminum on each (Pflock, also FUFOR, affidavit, May 6, 1991) "Most of the debris looked like pieces of an aircraft airframe and its skin. . . . [There was] a thick, foil-like metallic gray substance." WILLIAM BRAZEL JR. (F&B) "One of the pieces looked like] something on the order of tinfoil, except that [it] wouldn't tear.... You could wrinkle it and lay it back down and it immediately resumed its original shape... quite pliable, but you couldn't crease or bend it like ordinary metal. Almost like a plastic, but definitely metallic. Dad once said that the Army had once told him it was not anything made by us." "...a little piece of -- it wasn't tinfoil, it wasn't lead foil -- a piece about the size of my finger. ...The only reason I noticed the tinfoil (I'm gonna call it tinfoil), I picked this stuff up and put it in my chaps pocket. Might be two or three days or a week before I took it out and put it in a cigar box. I happened to notice when I put that piece of foil in that box, and the damn thing just started unfolding and just flattened out. Then I got to playing with it. I'd fold it, crease it, lay it down and it'd unfold. It's kinda weird. I couldn't tear it. The color was in between tinfoil and lead foil, about the [thickness] of lead foil." (B&M) "There were several bits of metal-like substance, something on the order of tinfoil, except that this stuff wouldn't tear and was actually a bit darker in color than tinfoil -- more like lead foil, except very thin and extremely lightweight. The odd thing about this foil was that you could wrinkle it and lay it back down and it immediately resumed its original shape. It was quite pliable, yet you couldn't crease or bend it like ordinary metal. It was almost more like a plastic of some sort except that it was definitely metallic in nature. I don't know what it was, but I do know that Dad once said that the Army had told him that they had definitely established it wasn't anything made by us." (R&S1) "The only reason I noticed the tin foil was that I picked this stuff up and put it in my chaps pocket. Like I said, I had it in here two, three days, and when I took it out and put it in the box and I happened to notice that when I put that piece of foil in the box it started unfolding and flattened out. Then I got to playing with it. I would fold it or crease it and lay it down and watch it. It was kind of weird. The piece I found was a jagged piece. I couldn't tear it. Hell, tin foil or lead foil is easy but I couldn't tear it. I didn't take pliers or anything. I just used my fingers. I didn't try to cut it with my knife. The color was consistent through the pieces I found. It was a dull color [and the same on both sides]. It was about the gauge of lead foil. Thicker than tin foil. It was pliable. Real pliable. I would bend it over and crease it and if you straighten back up, there would be a crinkle in it. Nothing. It would flatten out and it was just as smooth as ever. Not a crinkle or anything in it. [It didn't make a sound.] ...As best as I can remember, it was smooth. I wasn't intrigued with any part of it until I discovered the foil and what it would do. Then I got to looking at the rest of it." SALLY STRICKLAND TADOLINI (Daughter of Marian Strickland, age 9 in 1947) (Pflock, FUFOR, from affidavit 9/27/93): "What Bill [Brazel Jr.] showed us was a piece of what I still think as fabric. It was something like aluminum foil, something like satin, something like well- tanned leather in its toughness, yet was not precisely like any one of those materials. While I do not recall this with certainty, I think the fabric measured about four by eight to ten inches. Its edges, where were smooth, were not exactly parallel, and its shape was roughly trapezoidal. It was about the thickness of a very fine kidskin glove leather and a dull metallic grayish silver, one side slightly darker than the other. I do not remember it having any design or embossing on it. Bill passed it around, and we all felt it. I did a lot of sewing, so the feel made a great impression on me. It felt like no fabric I have touched before or since. It was very silky or satiny, with the same texture on both sides. Yet when I crumpled it in my hands, the feel was like that you notice when you crumple a leather glove in your hand. When it was released, it sprang back into its original shape, quickly flattening out with no wrinkles. I did this several times, as did the others. I remember some of the others stretching it between their hands and "popping" it, but I do not think anyone tried to cut or tear (R&S2) Bill Brazel showed that small piece of foil to others. ... Brazel showed her [Tadolini] the foil, and she has the impression that it was dull in color, maybe gray, and that it was a small piece. Brazel, according to her, balled it up in his hand and then opened his hand, letting it return to its original shape. She thought it was stiff, like aluminum foil, but that it did not seem metallic. MARIAN STRICKLAND (Friend and neighbor of Mac Brazel) (VIDEO1) "The time that he brought the sample of what he had picked up, he was at the corral. My daughter and two sons and husband were at the corral, and they saw it. My daughter says that it could be crumpled up and straighten right back out." LORRETA PROCTOR (Friend and neighbor of Mac Brazel. Brazel visited before reporting find in Roswell.) (Pflock, FUFOR, from affidavit 5/5/91): " ...'Mac' [W. Brazel] said the other material on the property looked like aluminum foil. It was very flexible and wouldn't crush or burn." (VIDEO1) "He said the stuff that looked kind of like aluminum foil, he said you'd crumple it up and then it would straighten out, it wouldn't stay creased, it would just open out. But he couldn't get any of it off to bring up. He said he couldn't cut it or anything." (R&S1) "He was telling us about more of the other material that was so lightweight and that was crinkled up and then would fold out." PHYLLIS WILCOX McGUIRE (Daughter of Roswell Sheriff George Wilcox) (Shirkey, pp. 94-95, from letter Jan. 1996) "When I read in the Roswell paper about the Flying Saucer being found, I went into his [her father's] office to ask about it... I asked my father if he thought the information about the saucer was true. He said: 'I don't know why Brazell [sic] ... would come all the way in here if there wasn't something to it.' He said Brazell had brought in some of the material to show, and that it looked like tinfoil, (a material like aluminum foil), but when you wadded this material up it would come right back to its original shape. He felt it was an important finding and he sent deputies out to investigate." SGT. ROBERT SMITH (Robert Smith was a member of the First Air Transport Unit, which operated Douglas C-54 Skymaster four-engine cargo planes out of the Roswell AAF.) (F&B, interviewed 1991) "All I saw was a little piece of material. You could crumple it up, let it come out. You couldn't crease it. One of our people put it in his pocket. The piece of debris I saw was two to three inches square. It was jagged. When you crumpled it up, it then laid back out. And when it did, it kind of crackled, making a sound like cellophane. It crackled when it was let out. There were no creases. ...The sergeant who had the piece of material said [it was like] the material in the crates." (Pflock, FUFOR, affidavit 10/10/91) "All I saw was a little piece of material. The piece of debris I saw was two-to-three inches square. It was jagged. When you crumpled it up, it then laid back out; and when it did, it kind of crackled, making a sound like cellophane, and it crackled when it was let out. There were no creases. (R&S1) [Smith and a couple of the other sergeants discussed the nature of the cargo as they were loading the aircraft.] "We were talking about what was in the crates and so forth and he (another of the NCOs) said, 'oh do you remember the story about the UFO? Or rather the flying saucer.' That was what we called them back then. We thought he was joking, but he let us feel a piece and stuck it back into his pocket. Afterwards we got to talking a little bit more about it and he said he'd been out there helping clean this up. He didn't think taking a little piece like that would matter. It was just a little piece of metal or foil or whatever it was. Just small enough to be slipped into a pocket. I think he just picked it up for a souvenir. It was foil-like, but it was stiffer than foil that we have now. In fact, being a sheet metal man, it kind of intrigued me, being that you could crumple it and it would flatten back out again without any wrinkles showing up in it. Of course we didn't get to look at it too close because it was supposed to be top secret." M. SGT. LEWIS (BILL) RICKETT [Bill Rickett was with the Counter Intelligence Corps based in Roswell, part of Jesse Marcel's staff, and an assistant to CICman Sheridan Cavitt. He had an opportunity to examine some of the wreckage recovered from the Foster (Mac Brazel's) Ranch. He also said he escorted Dr Lincoln LaPaz, a meteor expert from the New Mexico Institute of Meteoritics, on a tour of the crash site and the surrounding area in September, 1947, in an attempt to reconstruct the speed and trajectory of the crash object.] (R&S1) Rickett said the foil was dull, like the back side of aluminum foil, and because it didn't reflect the sun, it was hard to see. (F&B) "[The material] was very strong and very light. You could bend it but couldn't crease it. As far as I know, no one ever figured out what it was made of...." "...LaPaz wanted to fly over the area, and this was arranged. He found one other spot where he felt this thing had touched down and then taken off again. The sand at this spot had been turned into a glass-like substance. We collected a boxful of samples of this material. As I recall, there were some metal samples here, too, of that same sort of thin foil stuff. LaPaz sent this box off somewhere for study; I don't know or recall where, but I never saw it again. This place was some miles from the other one." LT. JACK TROWBRIDGE, new witness (Trowbridge is listed in the base yearbook as being with base headquarter but says he was assigned to Major Marcel's intelligence office) (SCI FI video testimony) Well on this particular evening we were having bridge at Major Marcels home. ...All of intelligence was there playing bridge, except Jesse. He was out with a pickup gathering his junk in the debris field. So when he came in it was fairly late, I believe. And we broke up the bridge game then to go out and see what Jesse brought in. And it was of great interest. It was aluminum in appearance. There were fragments of aircraft skin, or whatever the thing was, and also some girders with pictures of hieroglyphic-like things on it. I took them to be owls (?), but who knows? Anyhow, it was interesting. I did get to handle the material. And the material had some peculiar properties. For instance, it looked like Hershey bar wrappings. But you squeeze it up in your hand as hard as you could, let go, and it returned originally to the original shapeinstantly! S/ SGT. EARL V. FULFORD, new witness (Roswell 603rd Air Engineering Squadron, aircraft mechanic. Said he was assigned to work detail, perhaps on July 9 or 10, 1947, to clean up a debris field along with 15 to 20 other men.) (C&S, pp. 105-107) ...Armed MPs ringed the site ...We knew from the day before that something had crashed up there, so we figured this must have been the crash site. (Not much debris remained scattered over hundreds of yards. He found only 7 pieces. They were to police-up the site and put anything they found in burlap bags that was not natural.) I picked up small, silvery pieces of metallic debris, the largest of which was triangular in shape, about 3 to 4 inches wide by 12 to 15 inches long. It looked like thin, light, aluminum foil that flexed slightly when I picked it up, but once in the palm of your hand, you could wad it up into a small ball. Then, when you let it go, it would immediately assume its original shape in a second or two. I thought to myself, Hey, this is neat. Im going to keep a piece for myself. But they searched us thoroughly when we got back to make damned sure none of us had anything. Nobody picked up anything of size. We didnt see any other type of debris or pieces of debris with writing on them, and we didnt see any bodies. We also did not see any balloons or balloon material. They launched weather balloons from in between barracks where I lived back on the base every day. I was familiar with them, and the debris wasnt from one of those. (New, 2010! Interview UFO Hunters, aired 4/9/09; 6:00 into video) "[We] picked up some debris of very unusual shape and feel and appearance... We picked up some material here [debris field] in a one square mile area... [for] the bigger part of a day. [a fan-shaped area spreading out over one square mile] ...The vehicles all drove up and like formed a circle. We started walking in one direction. We went about 10, 12, 15 [feet] apart where you could see what I could see and I could see what you could see, so we weren't missing anything. Well, I'd seen some type of material or metal or something that looked sort of like aluminum. It was shreds and pieces. ...My personal experience was great surprise when I picked up a piece and I wadded it up to put in my bag, and before you could get it there it came back to its original shape. And I took it out and wadded it up again and same thing. ...I would say I picked up 10, 12, maybe 15 pieces, but once it went into those bags, we never seen it again. [Who took possession of the bags?] They were military police. ...They told me up there if I showed anyone or told anyone, I was in deep trouble. (see also Fulford's multi-saucer sighting over Roswell base late June or early July 1947) (Interview, Open Minds forum, 2/10/08, 26:20 into interview) "...we lined across an area--Id say eight or nine hundred feet wideand walked through in a straight line so that you could always see the man on your left and the man on your right, and picked up everything that was there that didnt look like it belonged there. We did pick up some shreds of some kind of material that was one of the most unique things I ever saw, because you could pick it upit looked like aluminum foil didnt appear to have any weight whatsoeverand you could fold it up and wad it up and lay it down and it would just return to its original position. It felt more like a cloth, but it looked metallic.. It was about like bending cardboard. You bend a piece of cardboard and it might come back out a little. But this would come back in a perfect, flat position with no crease marks or no damage left whatsoever. ...I would say my attitude was, 'Man, what kind of stuff is this? I never seen anything like this before.' And that was the general consensus of everybody." (Asked about thickness) "...it never occurred to me to check for thickness or anything, but it had the appearance of being something thicker than it really wasI can say that. (Asked if it was as thin as cigarette package foil, as described by other witnesses) I would agree with that... I didnt explain it that way, but I felt that it was very light with almost no weight, no noticeable weight... you can pick up a pencil and feel some weight. But the pieces I picked up, I dont remember feeling any weight." (Size, shapes, and edges) "Everything we picked up was in like shreds, like youd just take a sheet of paper and cut the edge off at an angle and maybe cut one in a square, ...all different shapes like you just took up like a newspaper and tore it up in shreds and threw it down. (Later, asked about edges) ...everything Id seen was in a straight line. It looked like it had been ripped off of a larger piece... I didnt see anything jagged. There