3.5 PROJECTS AND FACILITIES RELATED TO THE UFO/EXTRATERRESTRIAL MATTER Copyright 1998 Steven M. Greer M.D, Prepared for Congress, 30 August 1996 EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE AND RELATED FACILITIES Government Facilities: Edwards AFB Haystack Butte China Lakes George AFB Norton AFB Table Top Mountain Observatory (NASA) Blackjack Control Aerospace Facilities Northrop "Anthill" (Tejon Ranch) McDonnald Douglas Llano Plant Lockheed-Martin Helendale Plant Phillips Labs (North Edwards facility) THE NELLIS COMPLEX Area 51/S4 Pahute Mesa and Area 19 Groom Lake NEW MEXICO FACILITIES Los Alamos National Laboratories Kirtland Air Force Base Sandia National Laboratories (SNL), Defense Nuclear Agency Phillips Labs Manzano Mountain Weapons Storage Facility, and underground complex Coyote Canyon Test Site (N. end of Manzano) White Sands Complex Fort Huachuca, underground storage facility, NSA and Army Intelligence near Ft. Huachuca underground storage of extraterrestrial spacecraft and previously autopsied extraterrestrial life forms Utah underground complex southwest of Salt Lake City, accessible only by air Redstone Arsenal underground complex Alabama Lawrence Livermore Labs Cheyenne Mountain Colorado Deep Space Network, dedicated console for tracking UFOs US Government Agencies with Current or Past Involvement (Activities are compartmentalized into super-secret USAPS -Unacknowledged Special Access Projects, which means that they are not acknowledged to anyone, even those senior in the chain of command.) NRO (National Reconnaissance Office) NSA (National Security Agency) Military Intelligence divisions (Army, Air Force, Navy) Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) Space Commands Private Corporate Entities Believed To Be Involved Northrup Aerospace Boeing Aerospace Lockheed Martin (various facilities including Denver research center) Wackenhut Corp. Village Supercomputing, Phoenix AZ Phillips Labs McDonnell Douglas Corp. Rockwell International Booz-Allen and Hamilton, Inc. MITRE Corp. SAIC (Science Applications International, Inc.) Bechtel Corp. Back to Contents 3.6 TESTIMONY THAT EXPLAINS THE SECRECY Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin: Army National Guard Reserves "But what happened was that Eisenhower got sold out. Without him knowing it, he lost control of what was going on with the entire UFO situation. In his last address to the nation, I think he was telling us that the Military Industrial Complex would stick you in the back if you were not totally vigilant. And, I think that he felt like he had not been vigilant. I think he felt like he trusted too many people. And, Eisenhower was a trusting man. He was a good man. And I think that he realized that all of a sudden this matter is going into the control of corporations that could very well act to the detriment of this country. "This frustration, from what I can remember, went on for months. He realized that he was losing control of the UFO subject. He realized that the phenomenon or whatever it was that we were faced with was not going to be in the best hands. As far as I can remember, that was the expression that was used, "It is not going to be in the best hands." That was a real concern. And so it has turned out to be... "It had been discussed with me on numerous occasions what could happen to me militarily if I discussed this. I would say that the government has done as good a job enforcing secrecy through the installation of abject fear as they have done with anything within the memory of modern man. I really believe they have done a job. "One older officer discussed with me what possibly could happen if there was a revelation. He was talking about being erased and I said, Man, what do you mean erased? And, he said, Yes, you will be erased- disappear." And I said, "How do you know all this? And he said, I know. Those threats have been made and carried out. Those threats started way back in 1947. The Army Air Force was given absolute control over how to handle this. This being the biggest security situation that this country has ever dealt with and there have been some erasures... "I dont care what kind of a person you are. I dont care how strong or courageous you are. It would be a very fearful situation because from what Matt [this older officer] said, They will go after not only you. They will go after your family. Those were his words. And, so I can only say that the reason that they have managed to keep it under wraps for so long is through fear. They are very selective about how they pull someone out to make an example of. And I know that that has been done." Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command "These two gentlemen began to question me about this event. They were being pretty rough about it, to be honest with you. I remember literally putting my hands up and saying, Wait a minute fellows. I am on your side. Just a minute. Because they were not really nice. They were very intimidating and made it quite clear to the point that nothing that was seen, heard, or witnessed, that transpired was to leave this building. You are not to say a word about it to your co-workers. And off base, you just forget everything that you may have seen or heard concerning this. It didnt happen..." Lt. Col. Charles Brown: US Air Force (Retired) "It is sort of strange but we send people to prison, we send people to their death because of eyewitness accounts of crimes. Our legal system is based on that to a large degree. Yet in my following of unusual aerial phenomena for the past 50 years, there seems to be some reason to discredit very viable and very reputable witnesses when they say something is unidentified... "I do know that there are agencies of our Government that can manipulate data. And you can create or recreate [whatever you want]. Craft, intelligently operated craft, have basically violated our laws of physics on this planet. And they have done that for a long time. The fact that the Government at this point -- I know we have been investigating since 1947 -- has not come up with an answer, to me indicates that there is something seriously wrong. Are we this incompetent in science? I dont think so. Are we this incompetent in intelligence? I know we are not this incompetent in intelligence. Now, Project Blue Book, when it was closed by Dr. Condons group, I have every reason to believe that this was a total deliberate whitewash.... "UFOs have been investigated for an extended period of time and the general public is not being made aware, fully aware but are given only bits and pieces, programmed responses and things like that." "I know that some people I worked with did disappear on certain programs and were never heard from again. They just disappeared. There has been evidence of that all through my work. You know, that people go out on projects [and disappear]. But [to protect myself from this] I wouldnt go any further on a project because I could see something strange coming. So, a lot of people have disappeared you know, that are higher up." Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt: US Marine Corps "You werent supposed to be there. You are not supposed to see this. You are going to be dangerous if we let you go. I thought that they were going to kill me, really... "They had a Lieutenant Colonel from the Air Force and he did not identify himself. And he told me, If we just took you out in the jungle, they would never find you out there. I didnt want to test him to see if he would really do that so I just said, Yeah. And, he said, You have got to sign these papers. You never saw this. I dont exist and this situation never happened. And if you tell anybody, you will just come up missing... "They are yelling at me and hollering and cursing. You didnt see anything. We will do you and your whole goddamn family. "It was basically that for about eight or nine hours... We are going to take you off in a helicopter and we are going to kick your ass out in the jungle and we are going to end you..." "These different agencies are on their own. They dont obey the law. They are rogue. Do I think that this is a project that goes up through the government and everyone has a piece in it? No. I think these guys operate on their own and no one knows what they do. It is so easy to do today. And there is no oversight, no control. They just do whatever they want... "Lethal, deadly force has been used. For those of you who dont know, I know marine snipers and I have heard other guys talk about it and Ive heard that these guys go on the streets and they stalk people and they kill them. I know that the Army Airborne snipers do the same thing. They use Delta Force to go grab these people and silence them by killing them." Maj. George A. Filer, III: US Air Force (ret.) "At times I used to carry nuclear weapons. In other words, I was mentally fit to carry nuclear weapons, but Im not mentally fit if I see a UFO. This criticism and this ridicule have done more to keep the story coming out than almost anything else." Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official "I believe that governments and the military, and indeed private researchers, politicians- whoever- should place everything in the public domain on this issue. Governments cant, I think, have it both ways. You cannot say on the one hand, as the party line often goes, that UFOs are of no defense significance, and then on the other keep back some of the data. "You simply cant do that. You have to have it one way or the other. And if, as governments consistently say when the politicians probe on this issue or when the media inquire, that theres really nothing to worry about, then okay, lets see all the data." Larry Warren: US Air Force, Security Officer "We were gone over with a Geiger counter and there was one return on one of the guys, and something was taken out of his pocket. This guy was removed very quickly. And, I will swear on my life, I never saw him again. He was removed. This happened to a lot of people. It led to a suicide that the Air Force is responsible for. This is a real person with a real name... "We were brought in and there were sheets on top of the law enforcement desk. There were about 10 of us. And there were one, two, three, four, five, six, seven stacks of documents, pre-typed. One was a pre- typed statement, all generic, of what we saw -- which was not what we saw. It said we were off-duty and saw only unknown lights flipping amongst the trees. I clearly remember that. I said, what if we dont sign this, Major Zigler? And, he says, you have no choice. And, he says, I have no choice but to ask you to do "Two people came up behind each of us, and I do remember someone heading toward him, and I heard the sound of what sounded like an aerosol. And, I went black. My nose ran profusely and my chest got tight. I, obviously, was not getting into the car properly, so I was beaten, literally hit in the ribs and pushed... Anyway, I have 20 minutes of recall and Im gone for a day. And, its established with other people. People said I was on emergency leave or on leave or off the base. But I was just under the base. And, there were other personnel down there. ...I had marks, by the way, from an IV, or something, when I came out of there. I had the bruise and I had a bandage. I will admit that. Thats for real. I had it. Im terrified to know or think of what might have happened... "The only reason I have my records is because I was advised to steal some of them, by an Air Force Colonel, because he said they would vaporize you. He said, they are going to fireproof you. I was looked at, almost like a Frank Serpico kind of guy. I was not a team player because I was talking to everyone... religious. I respect that, but we had nothing in common. He was a nice guy. And, they did not do anything to help us..." Sgt. Clifford Stone: US Army "During the discussion of UFOs, the question, ultimately, is going to come up, can any government keep secrets, let alone the U.S. Government? And the answer to that is unequivocally yes. But one of the greatest weapons the intelligence community has at their disposal is a predisposition by the American people, the American politicians and the debunkers -- people who wish to try to debunk UFO information. They immediately come out and say, oh, we cant keep secrets, we cant keep secrets. Well, the truth is, yes, we can. "The National Recognizance Office remained secret for many, many years. The mere existence of the NSA remained secret. The development of the atomic weapon remained secret until once you exploded one you eventually had to tell some people what was going on. "And we are conditioned by our own paradigms not to accept the possibility or probability of a highly advanced intelligent civilization coming here to visit us. You have evidence in the form of highly credible reports of objects being seen, of the entities inside these objects being seen. Yet, we look for a prosaic explanation and we throw out the bits and pieces of the evidence that doesnt meet our paradigm. So it is a self-keeping secret. You can conceal it in plain sight. It is political suicide to go and start hitting up intelligence agencies to get this information released. So, most of your members of Congress, and I know Ive worked with a lot of them along that line, will balk and try not to do it. I can name you three members of Congress that were point blank asked to have a congressional inquiry on what happened here at Roswell... "We have got to get the documentation as it exists in the Government files. We have got to get it released before it ultimately is destroyed. A good example is the Blue Fly and Moon Dust files. I had classified documents the Air Force acknowledged. When I got members of Congress to help me open up more files, they were immediately destroyed and I can prove this. "Somewhere along the line, they may see that material and realize there is some very highly sensitive information that would have a damning effect upon the national security of United States should it become compromised. It needs to be further protected, to insure that there is only a limited access to that information to a small number of people. So small you can put them on a list of paper, on a piece of paper, and list them by name. Thus, you have the special access programs. The controls that were supposed to be put on the special access programs are not there. When Congress did their review of the way we protect documents, and the way we go ahead and implement our secrecy programs, they found that you had special access programs within special access programs -- that is was essentially impossible to keep control of them all by Congress. And, Im telling you right now, it is essentially impossible to keep control of "When it comes to UFOs, the same criteria applies. Therefore, only a small nucleus within the intelligence community, numbering less than a hundred- no, Id suggest less than 50- control all that information. It is not subject to congressional review or oversight at all. So, Congress needs to go ahead and ask the hard questions and convene a hearing." Master Sgt. Dan Morris: US Air Force, NRO Operative "I became part of a group that would investigate, gather the information, and in the beginning it was still under the Blue Book, Snowbird and different covert programs. I would go interview people who claimed they had seen something and try to convince them they hadnt seen something or that they were hallucinating. Well, if that didnt work, another team would come in and give all the threats. And threaten them and their family and so on and so forth. And they would be in charge of discrediting them, making them look foolish and so on and so forth. Now if that didnt work, then there was another team that put an end to that problem, one way or another." A.H.: Boeing Aerospace Employee "A CNN reporter in Washington, D.C., the second time that Gorbachev came to America, was able to interview Gorbachev and his wife. When they got out on the street they drove the security detail up the wall. And a CNN reporter asked Gorbachev Do you think we should get rid of all our nuclear weapons? And his wife stepped in and she said, no, I dont think we should get rid of all our nuclear weapons because of alien spacecraft. "Now CNN put this story on for the half hour, on CNN headline news; I heard this and I jumped up and put a blank tape in to record the next half-hour. Well, that story disappeared and you know who intercepted that. It was the CIA that got involved with that, because I know that they were monitoring CNN and all international headlines at that time. They squashed that, but I heard it. And this tells me that my information is correct about Ronald Reagan, from my NSA source. The secrecy is just total overkill as far as Im concerned. And the Congress needs to know about this information... "He said that were trying to get a lid on this to try to minimize the sightings and quell the news media and the witnesses that are reporting these sightings to the news media. The Air Force wanted to push this thing under the rug and continue to research it and just get a handle on it. He confirmed that the Air Force wanted to steer the news media off on some crazy idea that these sightings were created by college pranks and balloons and meteorological problems... "What he told me regarding the security ramifications were that if their military personnel talked about this they could be court marshaled or at least threatened to be court marshaled to get him to back down. Other intimidations would be to hold their paychecks back, transfer them to other bases where a lot of people would not want to go to, like Alaska... "Basically, these projects were controlled by the Majestic 12 group, which is no longer called MJ12. Im trying to find out the new name of this group. My contact that worked at Area 51 knows the name of the group, but hes refusing to tell me the name. Basically its an oversight group intermingled with the National Security Council and the National Security Planning Group in Washington, D.C. There is a group called the National Security Planning Group that overseas everything. And Majestic 12 is intermingled with these people, the National Security Planning Group. "They have full control. They alert the President of whats taking place and he either authorizes or just says, hey, you guys go at it. They have full control. They have no Congressional oversight whatsoever. They answer to nobody, except for the President of the United States. But they are trying to push even that aside, away from the President, from what I understand. "The Presidents no longer have that much control over these groups anymore. Its like a separate entity." Officer Alan Godfrey: British Police "I was absolutely amazed at what happened after that. My life just turned upside down in an instant. From being a happy go lucky chap, within a space of six months I was put through hell and turned into one of the most horrible persons you could ever imagine coming across. Purely through harassment, stress, victimization, you name it, I had it." Sgt. Karl Wolfe: US Air Force "I didnt want to look at it any longer than that, because I felt that my life was in jeopardy. Do you understand what Im saying? I would have loved to have looked at it longer, I would have loved to have had copies. I would love to have said more about it, discussed it more, but I knew I couldnt. I knew the young fellow who was sharing this was really, really overstepping his bounds at that point. "I felt that he just needed somebody to talk to. He hadnt discussed it, couldnt discuss it, and he wasnt doing it for any ulterior motive other than the fact that I think he had the weight of this thing on him and it