Jacques Vallee on Stephen Greer (excerpts from Forbidden Science 4) Document/Research Forbidden Science 4: The Spring Hill Chronicles is a book containing the journals of Jacques Vallee from 1990 - 1999. After finishing the book, I decided to go back and pull out some relevant quotes about figures and subjects in the field that people here might find interesting. Today, just because he seems to be the talk of the town, I'm plucking out the few quotes about Stephen Greer. He's not mentioned much at all in the book, so I pretty much just took every mention of his name and put them in order. Added one little extra bit, as he's mostly mentioned in connection with this "Bootsie" character. On Monday I got a friendly call from Tracy Torm, who had attended a confidential UFO meeting at Crestone, organized by Tom Adams and a few ufologists. I had been invited but declined. Much of the time was taken up by arguments with Dr. Stephen Greer who crashed the party, bringing a group of women who claimed they had made five UFO sightings along the way. The Aliens had even entered Greer's cabin the previous night! I've been allowed to remote-view inside the saucers, he said. Dr. Greer is an emergency room physician in a small Southern town; he reportedly charges people $50 a head to go up a hill and watch UFOs. His group, C-SETI, claims thousands of members. Now you understand why Vallee won't come to UFO meetings, Tracy told the group, they always degenerate into a circus. Now Jean Sider tells me socialite Marie Galbraith came to France recently to ask scientists to petition the U.S. Government in an effort to release supposedly classified data on UFOs. Mrs. Galbraith is a very wealthy lady, a close friend of the Rockefellers. She spoke to Pierre Gurin, telling him that she was on the Board of the Human Potential Foundation. Gurin jumped up with his usual lack of subtlety: Oh, that's the group run by Scott Jones, that CIA lackey! Scott Jones? I fired him! she replied, surprised that the Foundation's odd reputation had spread so far and The problem is the people, not the Aliens, [Dick] Farley said when I told him about Marie Galbraith's futile trip to Europe. By the way, her nickname is Bootsie, he told me, shes a close friend of Steven Greer, who tells r/UFOs5y ago iama_newredditor First Post - Jacques Vallee on Bob Lazar Second Post - Jacques Vallee on Kit Green (I of II) Third Post - Jacques Vallee on Kit Green (II of II) Log Inr/UFOsSearch in r/UFOs Skip to main content Server error. Try again later. people he's in close touch with the crowned heads of Europe, in turn in contact with the Aliens! He got $20,000 through the HPF, not to mention what he got for Project Starlight, which does PR for the Eschaton... At least weve gained a new vocabulary. [...]Hals other source is John Petersen, the futurist. John's a great guy, hes arranged for me to present my work to the Navy and to the Marine Corps at Quantico. Kit was there too, talking about the future of automotive technology. John has spent a week with Greer and wrote up the proposal to Rockefeller. Is he impressed with Greer? I asked in some amazement. Well... He's still at the Gee-Whiz stage, if you see what I mean. That won't get him very far with the French Research Minister... In the afternoon I met John Petersen at the elegant coffee shop of the Mayflower hotel. Hes an intense, bright futurist, about 40. We ordered Ceylan tea and spoke of Rockefeller. I told him bluntly what I had heard from my friends in France after Mrs. Galbraith's trip. I was surprised at how little Petersen knew of the field. He was not aware of the Iron Mountain report and didn't seem to understand why Bootsie had mentioned the Human Potential Foundation to the French. It turns out that there are two ongoing projects under Rockefeller's control. One is run by Bootsie, charged with obtaining the best data. The second is under Greer, who claims direct ET communication. I've spent a whole week with Greer, I've been at his house. I'm convinced he's absolutely sincere, Petersen told me. He even wonders if the man isnt an extraterrestrial hybrid: I helped him setup project Starlight, I did the PR for him, but hes a guy with a big ego, like most emergency doctors. It would be easy for the Aliens to have a number of human agents like him among us, he added. There are amazing telepathic events around Greer. Hes flown out at night, mentally, to remote locations... He's had UFOs come within 100 feet of where he was, signalling with light. Why would they do that if they were not seeking contact? To me, this is reminiscent of the Uri Geller days at SRI, when Hoova was about to reveal itself to the world. Like Andrija Puharich, Greer and Petersen are hoping for The Big Disclosure that will mark a discontinuity. Theyre sure it is just around the corner. I had a long lunch with Fred Beckman, eager to tell me about a phone conversation with Robert Durant, who spoke about Bootsie and her friend Sandy Houghton: They have big plans, he reported; big but vague. No conspiracy there, mind you. Theyre simply bright, middle-aged people who need an answer to the mysteries of life and believe that Greer will explain everything. They have no idea how research is done. They think they've already met the Important People, of course. Fred went on, after a sip of his wine: they're completely absorbed in Petersens ideology: The Aliens are here, real good guys, we must be prepared, a revolution is coming... Disclosure... I see: The paradigm shifts, guess who the Facilitators are...? Something like that, Fred concluded with a tired sigh. Skip to main content Server error. Try again later. Over lunch with a TV producer who is impressed with the Bootsie affair, she did acknowledge that the two great ladies swallow everything Greer tells them. Scott Jones called my office today. We discussed the Rockefeller Initiative in the context of Bootsie and Greer's actions. He did clarify what had happened in Jack Gibbons' office, adding useful touches to the scene: there were no less than three meetings with Gibbons. At the first meeting the Presidents advisor was extraordinarily I've known this man for ten years, Scott told me, and Id never seen him so uncomfortable. He wasn't ready for the meeting and couldn't imagine why anybody, let alone a distinguished insider like Laurance, would take that UFO stuff seriously. At the second meeting he was waiting for the CIA's report on UFOs and hadn't received it, so he was mad at the Agency. It was a very irate Jack Gibbons who requested a classified briefing. Scott believes that Kit went up to deliver it, and he may have briefed Al Gore, too. Dick Farley took off in a huff, and he kicked up a lot of cow pies on the runway as he did. Laurance didn't write to the President but the matter went as high as the White House Chief of Staff. This confirmed that Clinton's Chief of Staff had been briefed to make sure the President wouldn't be open to further manipulation. I had a puzzling lunch today with John Petersen at the Garden Court. One moment he told me that he was instrumental in obtaining funding of 2M$ for Dr. Greer, and that he setup project Starlight for him and Bootsie to convince the leaders of the world of the reality of UFOs. The next moment he professed to be skeptical, claimed that Bootsie was uninformed and complained about big egos in the way. Petersen denied knowing anything about Greer's White House contacts, but he assured me that Clinton had signed an Executive Order giving immunity to Gordon Cooper and Ingo Swann to talk about what they knew. When I pushed him, he no longer seemed certain the order actually existed, so I went away confused. From Adamski and van Tassel to Puharich and now to Dr. Greer, the contactee myth remains alive in America. TV producer Jacki Dunne has invited me to join a hush-hush meeting at Asilomar. It will include astronauts and cosmonauts as well as ufologist Bob Dean (who claims four different races have bases on the moon), Steven Greer, and Ralph whose amorous adventures with La Belle Hybride aux Yeux Noirs haven't been forgotten. Dick D'Amato is supposed to be there, as well as Bootsie, Sandy Wright, Laurance Rockefellers lawyer George Lamb... A few hours later Keith Harary called, urging me to stay away: there are leaks about this supposedly discreet gathering. He came over with Barbara Gallagher, a parapsychologist who brought a copy of a secret memo from Hal Puthoff reporting on his meeting with an alleged first-hand witness of the Roswell crash, Glen Belcker. Evidently the memo already circulates in the Bootsie group. Bob [Bigelow] called this afternoon. He began by urging me to bring over my foreign contacts: Very few researchers in this country have any awareness of what goes on elsewhere, he said. I replied that foreign Skip to main content Server error. Try again later. specialists were staying behind the scenes like me, leery of developments in America. I reminded him of Bootsie's pointless excursion to Europe, and of the Greer fiasco. [...]Noetics meeting in Tiburon[...] Greer presented himself in a dignified way, as an emergency doctor who had become interested in the phenomenon after a personal encounter: at age 18, in 1973, he saw an object close to him and a strange being blocking his path. As the day went on, however, it became clear that Greer's plans, supported by Mrs. [Sandy] Wright, followed a political agenda, hinting at high-level contacts, discussions with White House officials and plans to turn the human race into a peace-loving, space-faring species... [2nd meeting of NIDS board] When my turn came I pointed out that independent researchers could benefit from the assistance of a larger group equipped for research. But this required assurance that the privacy of witnesses would be protected. As I suspected, however, secrecy was already compromised: Steven Greers coterie knew all about our meeting and wanted to join forces in planning for the Alien landing in 1997! Theyre certain were preparing it in secret, as a channel for Disclosure, the release of official information. That would be nice... The first phone call today was from Pete McDuff, who spoke urgently of his new assignment: in spite of the science board's recommendation to proceed slowly, Bob Bigelow has tasked him to immediately research UFOs in Mexico. He prepared a trip and wanted to know about my contacts. I recommended starting from the recent videotapes and checking them carefully. Hed already done that, he said, and now works through Bootsie and Greer. So, I didnt recommend anyone in Mexico City, because my friends there would never work that way. In the van I had a chance to discuss various theories with Edgar Mitchell. He thought there was a change in the UFO phenomenon between the early and the late 40s. He believes there is a secret group, a spinoff from the U.S. Government, with access to captured technology. It has reverse-engineered the craft and is busy creating a false threat, to be attributed to bad Aliens, he said, or to satanic forces. But I recall that Ed has been influenced by Steven Greer. Edgar Mitchell (who, to my surprise, smokes heavily) gave an interesting summary of the Greer briefings on April 8, 9, and 10. Six witnesses spoke before 60 to 70 press people, and representatives from the White House, Congress, the military, and the intelligence community. An unnamed Congressman offered to be the lead for future Hearings. Several government officials stated in private that something (a project) was going on, but they didn't have access. Stephen Greer and an acolyte are spreading the story that theyve developed cancer as a result of harmful beams from government coverup agents in the desert aiming instruments at them. Skip to main content Server error. Try again later. While we walked from the conference center to the great mansion, Dick Haines told me in confidence hed been training teams of night observers, hoping for human-initiated contact la Greer, with no success. Hal told me that, like me, hed gone to the edge of Area 51. He saw extraordinary lights he couldn't explain. We spent the evening at Angelika's house, with an intimate dinner that included heather-fed white hare, vegetables, berries from the castle gardens and French wines. We spoke of consciousness (that word again!) and the paranormal, of Dr. Greer's stupendous adventures that didn't fool our hostess, and of Jacques Benveniste's experiments in water memory, which left her unconvinced as well. Dick Haines senses Joe Firmage going the way of Steven Greer, towards a form of cultism. 11829Share Join the conversation Sort by:BestSearch Comments [deleted]5y ago 911? Yes, I would like to report a beating. Steven Greer is on the ground, Jack Valle knocked him down and I don't think he's getting up. Wait, he's stumbling a bit, he's getting up, he's getting a second wind, wait.. here comes u/rmrz426 and just knocked him the fuck out! [deleted]5y ago Loved the entry for July 17 '97. Greer claiming the gov gave him cancer is hilarious and pathetic. No follow up Mr Greer? Lying about having cancer is a guaranteed ticket to hell my man. slabbb-5y ago 1 more reply He's going The Distance [deleted]5y ago Yet Greer quotes Vallee in his new documentary. Funny. [deleted]5y ago Your point? Skip to main content Server error. Try again later. Greer is a fraud through and through either way. Psychological-Age2405y ago Thanks for posting these - the man does the subject no favours at all! He's a fool and a charlatan, and needs to be marginalised. Unfortunately mainstream media give him the opportunities to produce ever more far fetched nonsense. Classic_Tackle_76335y ago This is great, thanks for your efforts slabbb-5y agoEdited 5y ago These Vallee journal excerpts are gold. I havent got to these in Vallee's oeuvre yet. Thank you OP. he was not aware of the Iron Mountain Report Hmm, does Vallee mean the infamous ? It's a compelling read but its also unclear as to its status or, if authentic, to what degree its conclusions were directly influential on policy (though its not difficult to extrapolate and map some of the content to following historical events and current social operations). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Report_from_Iron_Mountain rmrz4265y ago Nice write up Krakenate5y ago "That would be nice..." Damn, freezer burn. gerrybbadd5y ago Photo from around the time frames mentioned Interesting Tom_ace695y ago Skip to main content Server error. Try again later. This almost reads like a Michael Crichton novel.... [deleted]5y ago Jacques VS Muscle Nerd FanInternational93155y ago 1 more reply Shitting on Greer is my new favourite hobby - this stuff is proof of how messed up that loon is kellyiom5y ago Amazing work, thanks for this. Ufology has all the components of a Hubbard style 'cult' or something like that. Being polite as I can... no80s5y ago Its extremely interesting that Edgar Mitchell shared steven greers ideas about an attempt at a false flag. TheCoastalCardician5y ago Just wanted to quickly say thank you before I read this because I can already tell I will enjoy it. Going in... [deleted]5y ago From the subtext it seems Greers actual motivations arent about UFOs at all - hes just a sociopath who probably uses it to sleep with more women, susceptible to his woo. napalm 5y ago Bro I watched his documentary on Amazon prime called Close encounters with the fifth kind. Mans literally claimed his friend astral projected hitting a ufo, making the ufo move with his "force" and the aliens being confused on how he did it. Turned it off right after lmao quantummajic5y ago So we know Greer is BS. But his new movie attacks the other likely BSers, TTSA and Elizondo. So what does it mean? Civil war in the CIA disclosure community? Or is it what Intel agencies always seem to do, muddy Skip to main content Server error. Try again later. the waters. FreeDomFighting4445y ago From the very moment Greer sold himself to the dark cabal, I just lost all trust... in.... him... or ... any... word.... coming ...out... off.... his.... mouth Salicath5y ago Awesome reading, thanks a lot! Spektremshill5y ago Thanks a lot for sharing this. [deleted]5y ago 4 more replies Greer followers are like flat earthers, unable to think critically and understand that evidence is required for any claims made. Jacques Vallee on Bob Lazar (excerpts from Forbidden Science 4) 60 upvotes 29 comments (Serious) Ufology and the Curious Case of Jacques Vallee 164 upvotes 82 comments Jacques Vallee discusses his final volume of the Forbidden Science series and shares personal experiences with the unexplained 89 upvotes 7 comments Skip to main content Server error. Try again later. 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