DEPARTMENT OF AIR File Number BRANCH OR SECTION ORIGINATING Date of Opening Other Flies or Papers bearing on the same Subject Min;te or! o.,! on lni~l Dot! on lln~ 1\fU\ute or O.t. on 1nitiols 1\linut~ or Ref<rnd to lor encla&W<' which file 0. (See ln Rmrred to for ""~'! whu:h file it (See In R.f~ to for 1nd01U1e which fila o& (!* In- action or inlorm\"ltion ror pA.4.q,d out struttion pelion or information lor p.,>iJ out t~on action or infom\At:on for. pa..ed out struction ottcntion of Bnonch No. 12) au""lion of Branch No. 12) of Branch ' No. 12) lr; ~/iii INSTRUCTIONS TO BE OBSERVED IN THE COMPILATION AND USE OF FILES 1. When opening a new file, care must be taken to see that a file with the subject is not alread f In existence and covers be completed with details for which space is provided. are to be attached to the file cover by means of paper fasten. ers of appropriate size, and washers, when available, are also to be used. Insert paper fasteners through the front and back covers of the file at the point indicated thereon. A -}in. fastener is to be used for minute sheets and a fastener of not more than one andal,:~lf Inches to attach enclosures. When there are as many enclosures on a file as can conveniently be fastened by a I ~-in. p~per fastener, a new part should be opened. 3. Minute sheets are to be attached to the left-hand Inside cover and enclosures to the right-hand side. ' 4. Minute sheets are to be used for correspondence between branches and sections. Correspondence from and to outside bodies is to appear as ~n enclosure. If the enclosure is in one part, Its number will be fo!'owad by the letter "A", subsequent parts being lettered 5. Minute Number I is to be on the printed side of the minute sheet and is to face the cover on the min.ute side of the file. VVhercver possible minutes should be made on the file. If a loose minute is used the file number should be quoted and the minute attached to the file when available. 7. Minutes must be added in numerical order and both sides of the minute sheets are to be used. 8. Files must not be passed between Branches by hand without transit Notes of action taken may be entered on the minute sheets, other wise unaddressed minutes will not be made. 10. Minutes may be noted by officers placing their initials over the reference to them at the minute head and such words as "agree" and "concur" may be used to obviate separate minutes by Individual addressees. An officer's initials so placed will indicate concurrence the minute. II. In Column I on the cover is to be indicated the persons for whom minutes or enclosures are intended. the number of that minute or enclosure and the date It is passed out from the last person noting (or otherwise using) the file being indicated in Columns 2 and 3, respectively. 12. When the person indicated in Column I has taken the necessary the file, he (or his representative) will draw a line through the reference to him in Columns I, 2 and 3 on the cover and will place his initials in Column 4. indicating that the necessary action has been taken. He will then ind1cate on the next line to whom the file is to pass: completing Columns 2 and 3. 13. File numbers are invariably to be inserted on minute sheets and enclosures. 14. When file covers or enclosures are damaged the necessary repairs to be made before the file is passed on. FILE LOCA TIOH CJ;RO 5 12 SEP 64 n A.A r. Fo..., .t. eo MINUTE SHEET F ILE LOCATION CARD $12 SEP 64 W!-.on ~lete Use Other Side R11l out lost column on front ol core/ be lore .lf7 ear .lf1D1ater, aaked tor aoaae 1nt'ormat1on on "i'l.:TlDc aauen" aD4 I warned J'OU 1 would bave cU.tt'icult;r 1n ptt!Dg together ~InS reall;r oonatructive on tbat au~t~eot. l!ere ta the beat I han beeD ab~e to do. Br1et'17 1 1'ee~ there are two concepts ot "Pl;r1DC Saucen" r- 1'be topical concept ot m711te1"1oua lll1as1lea probabl.v tram outel" apace. 'rile "1'l;r1ng aauceP" as seen on the technica~ pl ... ot the ail"cra.tt designer .All I eaA ;r about ooncept (a) ta tbat no one baa ;ret ocae t'ornl'd wbo caa aa;r tJ:ae;r han toun4 one, either intact or onehe4, oa our earth' avtace, neither have the e:t1atence o1' avanae .-Men contimed. Couept (b) 1a dealt with at ._. ~aneth ia tbe attached note preparoed tor me b;r tna OaweeDder Wood who haa a tlrat claaa knowledge ot ae1'041Ma1oa atl4 1a a Yer;r good mathelu tic len. Aa be pointe out there are aoaae attract1Ye teaturea ..._, ....-Uka ahapea when considering how beat to achien fillbt at s.peraoftto speeda. The centre ot pressure on such abapea doea aot aoYe altout to an;rthing like the e:c:tent that 1 t doea oD coDnnttoll;r abaped aeropl:nea as the speed or sound 1 Jpl'Otlohed. Tbvei"ore, 1 t ahollld be much easier t~ control .uh a .Upe tban to control a conventional shape. Wb;r baa 1 t not came into prOIIllnence bet'ore? Becauee COilYent1oaal ahapee are much more ett'ic1ent J.n the epeed ranae w ba.,. been operating. I ctaJmOt 887 whether or not &!Q'OJle is at preaent dni11.1D a 1"881 "fl71ng saucer", ae cUatinct 1"l"om a "delta" ot wb1cll IIWl7 exist, but I would not be at all atU"priaed U' tbare acaethtng to the Anoo Canada omasa, though not 1n the detail to~ outlined 1a attached papers. Wb1lat I realise the ebortcominga ot tb1a into~atloa I bope it ma;r be o't' aot~e value. With ktndeat repl"de. Yours sincerelT. Air Vice arahal. AI@ MmBER FOR 'fF.CRNICAL SERVIQES. 'fbe Boa. W. Mallahon, II.P. K1Ja1eter or State 't'or All" C~a..alth Otr1oee, KaniA Place, FLYIXG SAUCERS. Mr. DOWNER-Last year, when I olir~cte<l n question to the Minister for Air about tl.ving saucers, the honorable gentle- man ga\'(' a facetious reply. Is lte aware of the attention now being deYoted by ait for~e authorities in .C'anail,n and England to the nnture and origin of these m.vsterious objects~ Are si111ilar investi- gations contemplated by th~ RClyal Au!>- tralian Air Force, or does the mister still regard llying saucers as a problem for psychologists rather than defence autb.- Mr. :M;c.MARO.X.-On the last occion when a question on this subject 1\'8~ addre~sed to me by the honorable member for Angus. I gave n fa<'.etiou I wU t.hiok rhe problem i~ on~ mor~ for psychologists than for defence authoritieR. The Royal Australian Air Force has r~ehed man.v reports about tlying ~meers, as have the Royal Air Force and t.he Roval Canadian Air Fore" but the pbenorro~an have not vet been identi.Eied. It j,. l~nliar that, short!~ before the6E:' phenomena are obser~E'd .. t meteorite Bashes across fhe sl..-v. It j,. feh that $011le optical illusion may follow in its wake. After the honorahle gentleman nked me a question on this matter last .vear, I caused enquiries to be made. Th<:> Rt~yal .\ ustralinn Air Foree hM informed me t.hat, so far, the aerodynamic problem< to the production of tlyillg saucers have not been solved. It i~ possible to ,eroduce a flying saucer air- ~raft and to Jly it in a circulM manner b?' means of ram jet engines. A.ireraft of tpat typo may be neveloped in the future, -n"eed for them. but I do not think there is any hnmediate