Jeffersoncity Mo — April 1967

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1. [JA TE T ~= \iROUP l. NUMBER OF O~JECTS One (plus 2 whic, separated ( P:.OJECT 10073 RECORD 2. LOCATION Jefferson City, Mo. 10. CONCLUSION Unidentified s. U:NGTH OF OBSERVATION 11. BRI ::t= SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS \.Jitness, th 45 tnins. overall. described a very brilliant light approaching him at a height o Initial encounter lOmins less than 400 feet. The light was so brilliant witness s t ated 5 . T YPE or-o::.s::RVATION that ic r:ade his hands look as though in x -ray. Object resembl ieT~ed ~':!.!:~ binoculars a Ho::ld ~:ar I h elmet. 2 objects each the size of a DC3. Small nd telescope objects separated from main object and took off in different 7. COU RS:: directions ~.Jith extreme speed. Observer stopped cal. 3 Limes, once o~isinall, second l y a t a local junk yard and thirdly at til t---------------1 Oza::k :::irport t.Jhere object t..ras o bserved through telescop e . Object reportedly confinned by airport officials and pilot o f i cor.t:.:-,; Ozarl< plane. Object fletJ almost directly over airport._ ortheast t o Southwest 8. PHOT.JS n Yes Info:-:::ation from local police chief to effect: that sighting t..ras ~------------------------1 rcs~l: of hot air garment bag b alloon completely discounted by 9. PHYSICAL E, r:>:NC!: tvitr::ss in phone call tvith Hynek. \.Jitness knot.JS personally boys t1ho : .?.'.l::lched the b alloon Hhich Has sent up at different time and ~:fferent date,one of the pranltsters being the police COL~ . : ioners son. Prov!::.us c!l:.l:mo ot 'hi form o a y b a uaed. Yes sir, I do. ll and by the way I l1ave a review of it coming out in tl1e April issue of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists M 1'- glad to read it. B w:-i en, if you don't have a copy the r e in the library, I'd send you a M \-=ll, if you \o70uld I ' d appr.::eciate it, but I ' m sure the University of N.:.~souri would have, but I ' d appreciate a copy of my Oto7n. H A~l right, fine. N D:-. Hynek, I Hant to ask you one thing and I d on' t want you take this an affront and get m~d, but I \-13nL toa:;k you a very personal ~estion a~out this. Do you thirtk that the Air Force could be using this 5i:~ation merely to keep a secret? I mean, are you being recorded now, whe=e you wouldn' t want to say that? H W:ll, no , this is all right, for me to say this. I have often wonde r ed his myself. M It : uld bother me if I were in your position. I ' ve often that-afterall, I ' m expendable as an individual-that it is &:~ays a poss!~ility that h I was being used as a foil. But on t~: o:~ar hand, I've ~ad no real evidence of this. If I ever come in 20 years i= seems to me I would have come across some tangible ev~--~= ~n the fo:-~ of a letter that I stubmled across, or a communication t h3t! s~ouldn't have heard and so forth, but I reall y have n ' t . say that that's ever happened. Well, here' s wahts bothered me . HaJ:: you ever checked into nny Canadian inc ident<? M llave you ever spent any time in the Northwest in Canada? 1l No L r.1uch. ot ~uch. Well, I talked to nd several fdllows , who Ll~d to be at the U. of Missouri, he is now at Berkele y ( and I know :::-. .o.:' s a bad name in colleges, but really it' s quite good as far as i .. -ellectual) and E!nstein was one of l1is teachers at Princeoon quite c. :et.J years a go -and I talked to ha him about it, and he s.:::.ams to think from he ' s read and things that havecome up as far a -he ' s j~5t using what you' d call scienLisLs' intuition wl1ich scientist' s don' L li..-e to use but in c <:3es like this it' s all they' ve got, and he seems t ~ t hink that tl1e Air Force is behind it in some way or another. If oot behind it, they k~ow more about it than they're l etting on like t:~y d o , and I thin~ :t:a t the man may have a point. The reae on I think th~t he does is because that there are too many ridiculous situations g!ven, that just co~:d~'t be. For instance, this weather balloon thing , w!:h me. Now I know, sir, and of course y ou don' t becauseyou didn't see it, but I kno..J ?OSitivcl y nm.J since they said thot to me that they' r e M A~= :~=~Jgh the bas~c concepts of algebraic l ogic or any other kind of 1?;:: : can figu=e out, OK, there' s sometl1ing rotten in De nmark here. H Yes, ooe coul d arrive at that. We coul d have a l ong discussion on Ll1i s , ~ope we do over a drink some time rather Lhan over a l ong distance but there, one c ould explAin t his a lso by complete 1nilitary du!':"lor:.ess, and the military mind. There is t hat possible explanation However, l et' s go into that some time. I'd love to. l.Jhen will you be back in this area sir? H Co.:! only knoHs, but I get there every once in a tvhilc and I might ask, yo~ ~ay be getting to Chicago before I get down there. M 1 ;ni<.ht be; that' s a good possibility. H s~, 1!1ake sure that you look me up \vhen you do. You brought up the .:~:1adian business. What connection did that have tvith the ? M T e Canadian, yes. \~ell, Dr. -this ftie nd of mine, thi s otl1er Dr. - ~ Jas in Canada and he, of course, noticed that in the NorthtJest there a~e huge installations up there and no one gets l.n, if you knot-7 \-7ha t I mean. And even the 1>ersonne l -he was involved in some research up ere -he asked me not to use his name by the way -and he said even :~e places that are fenced off, xxn in huge acres, he said the men Hho ~o=k there, working on tl1e secret projects, they have to fit into certain c~tegories. A -not being married, and things of this nature you know, and also they have to fit into certain categories of exactl y t.Jhat is ex?~cted of Lhem after they get out of this project, if you know what I ~ean. And I just wonder if that isn' t what we 're really seeing? H ~ell, this is so~et ng that I know nothing about it tvorries It not only worries me, I know you're a scientist a:_, : J:~reciate xaxha x I ' ve read and reread many of your from just an humaniLarian point of vie~,o1 -I wc~!J ~ate to see a man of your stature used as a foil like that, and i t c l~ be done, knowing tlte military. H Yes, it certainly could be done, and, however, I think now, with the Academy of Sciences havi11g give n its fine OK to the Condon Report I wouldn' t be the only one being used as a foil , but Condon and the entire National Academy of Sciences \o~hi ch is sir, and so are we. arc people like me. 1Je ore a lot o[ us in the same boat in tl1at case. H:~eveeri'mi continuing to,be that as it 1nay, it' s the pl1enome non that :~ interested in H A~d it' s there! this is what I, :his is thing that I as a scientist am studying and t he Air Force relationships, etc. , stalements, could be eithe r herenor tr.ere as far as the phenomenon is concerned. }! Very inconsequential, in otber \o~ords. In olhe r to~ords, you're interesLcd ~-~ticularly as a sci~n~ist to find out the answe r E::~irely. _:at s goo That's th~ kind of language I like and anyway I can help you, if I run aero.;.:; any other facts, I 'll tolritc you immediately. But I ~ave lost your a~c7ass, so if you could send me something H }': address is extr-:::o-:::ly easy. It' s simply Department of Astronomy, No~thwestern University. ~o~ I hope I do hear from you and if you have any more : _ _: :ik~ to z:c:! co this or any olher canments, please '"irte. \,';:!.:, y.JJ see, I have one thing that' s very inleresling that might help. No.,, I have a number of Stale Patrolmen friends that (they' r e close fr: j) and the Nissouri State Patrol i s a very fine organization, and on the road all the next to mine here -he, if there' s anything seen t-Jhy he'd be the one to see it, and yet, the Patrol has sort of an o(ficial-unofficial altitude of 'Don' t sec them", you know? But these guys would tell me, and if c~y:~.ing comes up, you' d never hear about it otherwise. .:;, t a s 1 The only way we can get information is essentially from ;-,:.:.vate 8:) urces. .1. .:tt s ; a out r1g t . The slate will not cooperate. H :.~-~ that' s quite right. N 1 ~onder if the Air Focce even t-7oul d if it came to somebody seeing one i:1 their ranks. H 'n'ell, this is probee:'!la:i.cal, alright. Say, I do t-1ant to thank you for taking this time, and again, let me say that I'm sorry that something :ipped up and we didn' t get together l'! :i-;.!11, I h onestl y -on my honor I did not receive t-Jord. If I had I would l!~ve been there, k~ in fact Jack & I, the palrolman and I were read y to meet you H G~lly that' s a sha . ,., .. ;.~n 1 n ear _rom you oug , '"e J.S gen emen J.S o v1ous y into some cons=~uences wltich could not be hleped and he didn' t let you t-1ould be coming in -you did, but I didn ' t w '., .o g lad I ca~led for several reasons, tonight. One of them is c~-:a!~ly that we got that straightened out. I was really looking around fer:-:"'J..! at the airport and t-1ondened g - I thought that something had gone wro,g fn your pla n s had suddenly changed. Oh no, t.Jhen I tell someone I 'll be someplace, I ' l l be there unless some- Lhing like lhis happens where I ' m ci Liter noL noLi (i ed Hhen to be there l'le Lz -12 or something of that nature. No, I ' m very German, Dr. Hynek, and quite Prussian even in my t-1ays. Rarely a second late , lel alone a minute. I ' n also very thorough and consequently, this is t-1hy I am thorough <::::'".:~h to knm.; that if someone does t-.1r1te me and lcll me to be at a c~:-::ain p~ace, they must have a reason. You can see my logic. I 'll wtite you and let you know if anything else I think might h~lpf or any other sightings or anything I run across. T t ' s just great. \?ell thanks a great deal. M anytime you're hea~, my door' s open. H F.ne, and give my reg..-'!:'cls to Dr. t~ood, even though I never met him. :lc;; .h~ii I t-lill and you t.;ill meet him. E I'1.:1e. Ok Good night:.C'H\;1 Tr:PI' (UFO)/tt Marano/sac/typed 13 Mar 69 UFO Si,;hting of 17 Apr 67 from near Jeffer:;on City, Missouri Dr .r. Allen Hynek I.incheimer Astronomical Research Center No~h~estero Un~versity Zvanston, I llinois 6o201 On 3 ~r 69, we requested transcripts of all conversations that you have had vith Mr ..-f. On 17 Sep 68 you als o had a t e lephone conversation with Mr ...... regarding his sighting. ~e have not Leceived a transcript of this conver~ation. Please for~ard eithe r a transcript o r the tape of this conversation so that our recor ds will be co~plete ~UI:i'T.fA~II!LA, J r , L~ Col, ~eb , Aerial Phenomena branch 1\e;-ospace Technolozies DiYision Proouction Directorate TDPl' ( U?O) /Lt 1.-la.rano/ sac/22 Apr 69 U?O Si;-p ;;ings of 3 Apr 68 .r'ro:n Cochr:1n c , :.Ji3COl15ill and 17 Apr 67 .r-... om Je..:' fer:3on City, 2-lisso,lri ::r. J . Allen ,iyne~ I,tnd..1~1mer Astronomica l Research Center ~iortb.ms'tt!r':l Unlv'!rsi ty s~anston, Illinois 60201 1 . Refer::!nce our lett"!:-s of 9 :Ccc 63 and 17 )oa r 69 rel:);3.r d i:'le; t Le -.. tUO si~ting of 3 Apr 63 :f:-om Cochrane, Wisconoio. '!'o date ....-e have nat received t:n~ le.,~r t hat you sent to !irs .--Please furni3h us vit~ a copy of t his letter so teat our r~corda will be complete. 2 . Also r~fere:lC.! t b e 0>'0 3 ight1r-g of 17 Apr 67 f :-ot:t nee::-Jef.ferson Ci ~y, :.fissouri. On 3 :1.ar o9 '"'e reO.,Uc!ated tr:mscripts oi' all con.rersa- tioaa thac y ou have bad -~tj . tz. Our r e indicate t hat you ~te had two t~l~pr.Ont! conversetio:1s with !-lr Cn 10 :.~r 69, you 1'o~.:-Jed 'tr.e sec ond. convl'!rsa::.ion -.. 1tn :-tr. a3 o!' thi~ date 'tl'! ha~ no~ yet r~c~i r~d a ,c:-1pt o r your !'ir::; t. coo~rsn.'tion wit:: !. L n. ?~ase r'or.t:::lrt.! a t:-3.:tscrip~ or thl 3 con,er :Ja t ion as soon !IS possible so ~::a't our records .rill be courpl~td. . ':'OR GUDl'l'A?liL!A .Jr, Lt Col, USAF Phief, Aerial Pheno:r.e:m .Branch Aerospace Tecnnolo ied Division .Procuctioo Directora. c !- z :'n'?e Rcco:::ding ,rl :-:::c~e:v r J\st.rono:nic~l P.eseo.rch Center -:~:1~.res te~ Uni ver:;i ty :::;c.!..:::>sed 1!) t11e tape recordln~ of: y our conv::!r:ll\tio n vi th ; :::_JS OUrl U:"' siz'htl%'!3 ','e uon ' t bl~ O.DY tape r!COrC~r9 :_-.~.!.ln'J)e t o .ts t:113.'t cml p"l:lJ nt the speed of the r:~corcit:g. rr=.~::-efore, we :?..~e rc-; .. t:"Ding the r:::cordlng -.;1i tiout, .c:o.:dr~ a t~:lSCTi"Ot ....:T.:C'!'O~ r.uitl't'i\IULJ.J\ Jr, Lt Col, UW\P C': '-~f, f.cri.o.l Fh~:-:.-o~:1a Of C'ice J..:.:--~space ~:.?c!lnolo~i.;;s Divicioo ?:;-~.1c til;n Directo:-:'! t.e NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY EVANSTON, ILLINOIS 60201 ODI'ARTMP.NT OF ASTRONOMY LINDHf!IMIJR ASTRONOMICAL RI!Sr!ARCII C!!NTP.R Lt. Colonel Hector Quintanilla , Jr F~: (TDETR) arch and Aer)al P~e~omena Division -;ht Patterson Air Force Base TDPT (lJ?v) R:.:=.::rence: Your lett~r of 23 April 1969 2Lr April 1969 su:,ject: UFO Sightings of 3 April 68 from Cochrane, Wis. and 17 April 1967 from Jefferson City, Missouri Lt. Col. re~tor Quintanilla, Jr. 1. Enclosed is cop:, of letter to Nrs. dated 18 February 1969 as =equested in yo~r a:,ove referenced letter. am unable to ~=~d you the first transcript of my conversation \vitlt N!". simply beca..1se inadvertently something had gone Hrong \vith my r~c der and I got n)~hing but a carbled sot1nd. I can assure you tha t the ~?ntents of the second tape are largely the same asj,the first. Li~= = Astrono~!c3: Research Center TDP!' (UFO) UFO Si~hting of 17 April 1967 J . Allen Hynek, Director TJ~oheimer Astronomical Resear ch Center hwestern University Evanston, Illinois 6020} Please for~erd transcripts of all conversations had 'Jith Mr~or Thank you. ~: . :;:OR QUIN'l'ANILLA, Jr, Lt Col, USA..."' Chi.e1', Aerial PbenomenR Branch Aerospace Technologies Divisioa ~cuctioo rirectorete that you have tlara:no/ saa./ tJPed 9 Nay Ci) Ul'O Sightug er 1 7 Aprll 67 Near Jerrerson City, Miaa~uri Dr. J .Allell Hynek Li:tdhei:rer Aatxo~mieel Reaesrch Ceflter ~r veatern Uoiveraity aton, IJJinoi~ 6o20l 1. Refereace your letter or 24 April 1969 ree;ardL'"\::_ a conver:Jatio:l be tveen you and .Mr. (Reference the UFO a ight1.:lg of l 7 April 67 near Jefferson City Miaaouri.} You brought the tope recordi!lg o! your t'irat conversa~ion vith )iz-_.....1nto t~e Project Beek offi::e ~, tl1o rnu of 1968.; &nd &lth.ouc:;h the q~':slity or the 1:ecordine; n:~ ~r, there :&re aeveral portioo.o t ha t have a be:u-- izl~ on the anely:.1i2 or t.!:le m'O ai6htin~. Frn-1uat.7.nce aT.at.ed t hat the obJect i?"ased. :almoat direcUy orer t h e airport o.od t.~t An i!lc~g aircra.lt :illlo aiu'-lted. the object. Supposedl.y the pilot. 9( the aircra!'t st4ted tr..at t!le object '48 Qt A l o-.rer el.titud~ r....1an lJi~ aircraft {ljld waa ilUf:Ct. (T:r.c a bo'le 1o n o t t o be t.o t:tt:O:..e but i.a -co tns, !:le.:5t. or Lt ~rn.:lo' a rE:CQU:ctio~ ~vre.xim~J.y 9 mon.t~ after hearing the recording.) 2. Both t he l'tate=!ltS that t~s object p&D3ed nl:=x>ot o ver t1le Jer!'ersc:)n City ~1ea::orial Airport a;1d t!l.at the pUot o!' an i:lcomine a1:-cra!t aighted tt..e object are unsupported by t he to~ti..,xmy o! t he Y1t:les11es &."'\d the evidenc e aubndtted to tni.a o!!ice. Therefore, i.C' you v'JOld submit t he Ot'igi nll\1 r ecordi.'1.t; to u.s, we will tnke Q t il cri~t o! u .uucb. IUJ pceaible or t he couversotiot\. The tl.\pe y11l be retur:led t o you und.&!8e,oo along v ith a COJ/Y o r the tro.:1acript . ~!.'OR QliDT..~'lTIL~., Jr, L t CoJ. t Cb.i.e.t Aerial P hen.o."lel\& Br:mcn ..\ero~ace Technolo!;1ea Division NORTH\X'ESTERN UNIVERSITY EV 1\NSTON, ILLINOIS GO~Ol DI!PJ\RTMllNT O P ASTRONOMY I!IMER ASTRONO.\IJCJ\L RESI~ARCH CtNTER FTD (TDETR) Rescarcl1 and Aeria l Phenomena Divisi o tt Wright-Patterso~ Air Force Base Attention: TD?T (uFO) Reference: Your la~ter o[ 12 May 1969 Subject: UFO Sighting of 17 AprH 67 Nea r .Jefferson City, ~lissouri Lt. Col. Hecto r Quintanilla, Jr. encl::-si:-.g the inte 1::.gible. tape in qttestion, Lhc first portion The last Lwo -thirds o[ the tape are 2 . If you ca~ na~e anything out of it I would appreciate a copy of the tran sc::i?!: t-~he the tape i s relurned to me. ~ LLEI'T c v.: -:r li~jheiner Ast:: a~ical Resea r clt Center