PROJECT 10073 RECORD CARD 2. LOCATION 12 CONCLUSIONS 0 Woa Balloon Schenectad 0 Probably Balloon ME OROtJP ... TYPE OF OBSERVATION Poul bl y Balloon D Ground Vlauol D GroundRodor Woa Aircraft 0 Probably Aircraft GMTO~L0315Z DCIGr-Vl.uol D Alrlnterupt Roctar Po ul bl y Aircraft ve minutes OIU. 8RIEfl SUMMARY OP IIOHTINO 1 t. COMMENT$ ne object, shape unknown but estimatRn o be size of an aircraft on the groun s viewed from 6000 feet. Object was This sighting was the planet Venus, generated by setting in ~ ... ange in color. Object appeared to ly parallel to the aircraft and disap eared over Lake Ontario. ATIC PORM s2g (R&Y 21 I&P 12) ii:-~' plac$ nh.~ \l ci.tl o' OD my rotura {rota E....1at~P. 1 , iCW.Uut Ua1 la.., ~ t:.ia~ '!M :'ic of r,..y dep.art.ue. I rtQJ't: ll:\ 3;it.t::a~ 1,_ #t.lt4 b U. -. '1 tru. tM Mtlial FpQJht~ly il11a,. And, iAC tbM Ull'O. ... ,.. taey an (;~r.tered cata tbe oOMrw, tbla ..... ~ &. taM a cN ..,,..,_..,. ca~ ob~er#el'. peraUal to blon. That t:~.a fa u I 11 .... ~,;act~ ~.itr:o,~it yo.a will dotlbtlolf e&y ta~ ae ftr4Hc~ tbe -.rq. z ...... W } :ntr..aO~M tbM h ot.aar aUT~ If t:AMy of t._ 8ritbl ,.._, ., .... o~, / nr.-leet the Millers" Program WBEN-TV; Duffalo, New York Subject: Pursuit of unidentified flping object (UFO) by American Airlines plane. Appeareng on the program: Mr. & l4rs. ~tlller~ interviewers Capt. , American Airlines pilot First Of1cer lliam Neff, co-pilo~ Bruce Foster, Bell Aircraft Co. engineer TRANSCRIPT Seated next to Mildred ( s. l~ller) is Mr Bruce Foster of Bell Aircraft. Next to Mr. Foster is of American Airlines and First Officer Neff of American Airlines. Now you fellows had a real experience. What date was this? This was a weak ago last night, on April $th. Miller: Was that a regular flight of American Airlines? Yes it was Miller: From Buffalo to New York? This flight comes out of New York and lands at Albany, Syracuse, Rochester, and terminates in Buff'alo. ~ller: What was your first idea that anything was happening--that you were seeing something? Neff: This very brilliant white light--like an approaching aircraft with its landing lights on. Natur~lly we moved away from it thinking that's what it was. Then we noticed it was standing still at the time and we got sort of curious. ~liller: Just about what location was this? This was just about over Schenectady. We were coming out of Albany. We took off north and we made a left t1~n and we noticed thi s light over Schenectady. It se~med t o b~ sta~ding atil l . f.-liller: A light? rrow when you say a light, do you mean a light like a light bulb--about that color? Oh yes, very fluorescent--a very bright light A large light. It looked more like a light coming into Albany air- Mrs. r~ller: And both or you saw it? At the same time? How close were you to it do you think? We turned a little bit to pass to the south or it, and we were probably 2 to 3 miles from it. And the thing was. just astanding there? Just about standing: it was off our wing-tip. Was there anyone else on the flight with you? Oh, we had ~ss Reynolds, our stewardess was with us Did she happen to notice it too? She came up. We called her and she came up and looked at it later on after this had taken off at this terrific speed How long was it stationary there? We couldn't say that it was actually stationary (several talking at once) from the time we were off the ground at Albany, until Wt its about 15 miles by air to Schenectady and it was off or wing-tip, and we watched it just go through a ninety degrt arc, go right straight to the west, and it was how many seconds does it take to go through a ninety degree arc? How fast would you say it appeared to be going? Did 1 t chi.. speed very radically durirlg the time that you saw it? The initial speed I would say probably was BOO to 1000 mi ~ an hour. How fast can it it's hard to say~ just to compi that speed. .;, Certainly much faster than another airplane would. Oh much faster, much faster than a jet. Mrs. Miller: Faster than a jet? Yes ma'am. Couldn't be a jet, not at th3~ altitud9 b~cause th3ir i s so c:.-itical~ Bruce (garbled) ? Well, I doubt if it could did it appear to change color Yes it did. It changed color after it got to the west or us, probably. S to 10 miles. It appeared the light went out; that's what had 8111 and I concerned. It went out momentarily and we knew there was something up there, and now here we were with a load of passengers with something on our course up ahead, and what are we going to do; so we watched this where the light went out and this orange object came on-- this orange light. Did you blink back at it? No we didn't Just what did you do Captain? We looked at one another a little bit amazed, so we decided we'd call Grifiss Air Force base, and ~ thought they had the radar pn. Course on a Saturday night I guess not very many people are home at an Air Force base. And they didn't have it on--it would take them )0 minutes to energize the set Do they not usually have those on? they did; I thought they did Maybe we'd better not get into that discussion Oh probably not. We'd get a little bit orr the traek on that. They asked us to keep it sighted and we did, and we kept calling out our location, and as we told them where we were we turned all our lights on. They asked us to turn them or and they could eee us. and they asked if this object you see is orange in color. We said it was This is after it turned on I understand Yes. They said we have a definite silhouette in sight south or the field. Now those fellows are observers who are in the towe~. They said th1t they coull see a silhouette. Now would they ba looking with the eye? I imagine so, yes. What kind or a silhouette did they e9e, a silhouette of light' 11 U5ually on a rad ac en or a blip on a radar screen something that you see, like a up against something white. A silhouette usually refers to silhouette of something blac: But this was on a screen? Well actually we don't know if the silhouette they referred to was a radar silhouette or a visual. But Watertown could see it and they're quite a ways north or Griffiss. and Albany saw it--two men in the tower at Albany--one an Air Force man and one a CAA man. And they saw it after we first called them, noticed and they looked over to the west and saw it right Mrs. r~ller: And when they saw it was it moving? Well we didn't get to talk with them i . !4rs. Miller: But to you it was moving? Mrs. Miller: Real fast? It stayed just that far ahead or us and they asked us what our point or next intended landing was, and I told them Syracuse, and they wanted to be identified our aircraft, number and serial number, and they said, well "abandon that next landing temporarily and maintain the course and your altitude," so we did. They were calling ttscramble." "Scramble" is jets that they send up to, I suppose to go up and intercept these unidentified objects. Is tha~ do you know about those Bruce? Well there's one of these bases right up next to the Bell plant up there, and we see these fellows taking or most time of the day or night up there on various training In other words they're alerted at all times? Yes they are. They usually have a couple of planes alerted on or near the end of the runway. On very shor~ notice these people can take off and climb up to some interception point diract~d by rad~r o pe rators. You say in a very shot;t time. How long would it take them to get airborne? Well probably in about five minutes. I don't know just exactlJ how quick they can do it. i'-lrs. ~lillar: When you s ;lid ':: Well it was low and it was also low or a jet. There happened (Nerr. continued): ll.rs. Miller: Mrs. Miller: Mrs. Miller: l~s. lt!iller: to be an overcast that evening which eliminated the possibility or a star right off the bat. and * * * (garbled) the way I understand it a jet burns up three or tour times the amount or fuel at low altitude than it does at high altitude. I didn't think a jet could stay down that long without using up a considerablt I didn't know that about jets. You knew that or course It's also true or rockets. That's one reason I wouldn't think it would be a rocket. I they saw it for half an hour, this is quite a long time to operate a rocket Well now I'd like to ask you a question: How fast were you going? About 250 miles per hour. (garbled) then.did.they (garbled)? slow down or why didn't They must have slowed down. They" or "it" must have slowed down. Yes, granted. The unidentified object must have Slowed down, lying as it was. We trailed out as far as Oswego, which is right on the south shore of Lake Ontario and we passed up our point or landing at Syracuse, and we weren't sure we should hold the passengers up any longer, and or course we didn't advise them. (Several talking at once) that would have been wonderrul. Brief gap in tape, presuinab l y cau.s~d by original rBcord~r cha n gi::1g ....... 1. We were calling Griffiss and asked if we could change over to emergency frequency which was 121.5, and we couldn't read them any more on 10a.s because we were down rather lo.w and the CHF (or VHF) is a line-of-sig h operation. And we did; we cha ng ed over figuring Go right ahe ad. I don'~ ~p;an knoh' \'ih:! t you:-1 a ':.d.l;<i~1.6 about: but that's all right, go right ahead But we figured the interceptors we~e going to operate cont.): that frequency and talk to us, and then come alongside us and take ott rrom where we were on our heading. But we called them and they said they were aboue orr,n and that waa about 6 minutes and we couldne work them any longer, and we turned over wieh Syracuse tower, and they were giving relaying the messages back and forth, and it was then about 10 to 12 minutes and they're a~il1 not orr yet. And we cant I don't know, we'd probably still be flying. I just don't know where the jets were. Why didn't they get the jets up? Well what happened to the object? It went orr, it just went to the northwest and it went out of sight. Was it more rapid? All or a sudden did it accelerate its It did appear to after it got over the water it appeared to really get out of sight very fast. It did, in the direction or Toronto, in that direction. Miller: Did you people in Toronto see an orange light? Z.!rs. Miller: * * * (garbled) well now, tell us, what do you think it i: This sounds very much like some or the investigations or Mr. Ruppelts reports in his book on unidentified lyin. objects. But it seems most or the good cases he talks abo these shortcomings. Either the airplane didn't get or in time, someone wasn't alerted, or there was some reason why they just didn't get a good look at one or these thin Still I think what you people have seen is probably the same thing that has been reported many times in the past five years. In relation to this subject I potice that yo'. people hesitate to refer to them as "lying saucers." So does Mr. Ruppelt. He refers to them as unidentified flyi: objects because many or them are not saucer9shaped. \'ias thi s object sauc~r-snaped or nor:,? Oh I don't know. I couldn't s ay. Nerr: there was no derinite shape to it, it was just a brilliant light. Just a light Ha (tluppelt) talk,j dbout r,Lrea dif.fa~ant ~eneral ~yp2..d! is a point or light, much a s what you appear to have s e 8~oih!fobsof @~aiBRaf!~h!~ght; and the third is a sor Did this at any time appear to be green? No. At no time was it green. . Ryan, have you had any phone calls about this? A good number or them, yes, and letters also. Didn't someone call you and talk, that * * * (garbled) in the Air Force or whatever, and say that your experience and this object that you saw corresponds very definitely to other That's right. That's what. they said. Y~s. Mlller: And you don't think it can be a jet; and you don't think it can be a rocket; and you don't think it's an airplane. What do you think it is ? I don't know. I wisU somebody would come up with the answer. I think they ought to take an all-out effort to find out what these things are. If this is a government project, I think everybody's for 100 per cent security, but 1~ it's not a government project or something or our own, I think that possibly they should find out what they are if it's possible . (Mr. &. Mrs. Miller thank th~ir guasts) ~ ~Aiiliilfi::J~i/ot =Pursues .. .~::~'~FOilfOSfiC:J hi ng 'J n Sky By; the Associated Preas. , .. . . ' . ' . IBUFF AtO, Aprll 10.-A veteran a irlines. pilot today . .-reco~nted t.he tale ot "someth'lng Jantastic,. -"he said he chaRd th~h upstate New:Y'ork skies Sunday night. :, Capt. Rayrnoi}Ji E. Ryan, 43, of stiburban:Snyder, a pilot for 23. year!; said he-followed a blight light from Schimec- . ta~y:to Os~ego but ~uld' not ca'tch tt. : .. ,. ' _ ~. :'The light was so bright you wouldn't want to look at ~ . "I've l'ead about .flylng saucers," said Capt. Ryan, "and :rm the ty~ ot .fellow -that-wen. you~ve. got to &how me. ~t;i;.JS\lt .rm ~ced tbeftwu aomethlnz fantutJ.c-, up there.,., R E Q U EST 0 F G R I F F I S A I R F 0 n C E D AS E , B '{ CAP T o RAY ti 0 N D 8 '( A rJ, Ar.:Ef\IC/\iJ AIRLirJ~S, ON APRIL a, 1956e GRIFFIS AFB~ 11-J./\ f;ADIO COUTACT WITii .CAPTe RYAr!, STATED :rUEY COULD SEE THE . UFO , AS A ROUflD, FLOV/IrlG OBJECT, PnECEDIUG THE AIRLI; ! , Tl!EY ALSO ASl~ED CAPT. RYAN TO LEAVE H I.S ASS JGUED COURGE, .! TllOUGfl HE \'/AS CARRYING PASSENGEr.!>, 1\UD TO PURSUE THE f:EPORT I ~JG ALL POSSIBLE DET.~ I LSe uro smBTINO ROMB I SCHENW!'ADY, ROC.ttKSS~i :'!~:RR I N y On 9 April 1956 Capt end the :tiret officer ot en American Airlinea aircraft a1gbte4 an un1dentit1ed flyina obJect ~ile on a scheduled f'l1gbt froa Schoeoectaily J N Y to Oavego PI Y. The object appeazoed the eize o-r an aircraft on the SZ'Ottnd 6ooo :teet, waa a bright oraase llsht 'Which in aight for 45 minutes. ~e object VB& viewed 5 to port and appeared to parallel. the course of the air- craft at equal. apeed. (Aircraft 2'T(O at 6ooo ) 'lbe "Weatbn- waa reported. aa clear vith a very tb1D overeaat. Thie object Wa8 also reported by the crew of t'our other fllgbte 'Who thought 1 t vas pl"Obabq . a star or plmet. Intereeptora were acreabled at 03lt8Z nnd were 1n the air at 0352Z aD4 at 0413Z 1dent1f1e4 the obJect as a planet. No in- struction were given to the airliner to de-viate f'rou& course. CAA:...., recorda allow that the American Airline flight landed ahead of schedule. The object waa observed by the sbif't su:pervisor in the tower at Griffis Air Force Baae. '!be supervisor reporiled the object vas round and appeared to be ab~ the size ot ~ pea held at arm's length, was white with an orange tint wen :first sighted, and after about 10 minutea ap;Jeared orange w1 th 8 red tint. The obJect~ rept)rted ea larger then any star. The object was at aztnnatb 330 (p:robab]Jr 1n error) from the GrU'fie Tower and appearecl to be at three to :tour thousand teet.